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« on: January 19, 2013, 08:41:40 pm » |
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Does anyone have a 4 wire switch available for sale? Getting ready to re-assemble a 81, and thats the part I am lacking. Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2013, 10:14:00 pm » |
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Hmmm, which machines use them. Any of the square tops?
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2013, 08:53:56 am » |
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If you can't find one, you could replace the ballast which would allow 2 wire push buttons I believe.
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2013, 10:03:45 am » |
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If you can't find one, you could replace the ballast which would allow 2 wire push buttons I believe.
It's probably a good idea to just plan this into a restoration, since the ballast is in such a hard to reach location. |
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2013, 03:36:31 am » |
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I definitely will replace the ballast, not an option in this case, does anyone have the wiring diagram for a 2 wire switch, versus the 4 wire option? Tks M
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2013, 10:10:24 am » |
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Good discussion as i just ran out of my last 4 wire switch as well and now am faced with replacing ballast and switch.
I know that Funtronics sells the ballast ,but didn't see the swithc, ,is it just any old 2 wire switch that I can pick up at Home Depot ? and how does the wiring work .. a diagram would be excellent since it will be different.
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2013, 11:40:40 am » |
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I covered this before {converting from a 4-wire (push to start/pre-heat type) to a 2-wire (instant-start), but I see that the diagram is gone (like all of the other early post pictures) I'll seen if I have another diagram on my old IDE "drive in a can" (external IDE hard-drive case) from back then...
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2013, 06:59:51 am » |
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Thanks
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2013, 12:19:02 pm » |
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here's a basic instant start ballast diagram
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2013, 12:39:44 pm » |
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Now compare it to this pre-heat circuit diagram
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2013, 01:10:15 pm » |
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Now the old push-to-start type...
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2013, 01:45:55 pm » |
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I think I saw a 4-wire switch at Menards in their specialty devices section. I remember thinking that I wish I would have seen them when I was redoing my 81D. Since I didn't need one at the time I didn't look too closely but I recall it having 2 black and 2 blue wires which it what my original switch had. I'll try to stop by and see if my memory is correct or if I was just not paying close enough attention.
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2013, 02:02:25 pm » |
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BrianS: if menards has one, please grab one for me, I looked online, didn't see it. Tks
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2013, 12:53:41 am » |
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Thanks for the links, I got my stock pile refilled. I was down to one left before tonight!
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2013, 10:12:11 pm » |
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Ok I'm confused. I got some new ballast from Funtronics bit says preheat start. So do I need to wire in a starter on this assembly then. And where do I put it and what size do I need?
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2013, 11:59:00 pm » |
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Hope Funtronics chimes in here, cause I have no idea.
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2013, 12:23:07 am » |
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My local hardware store has a couple switches in stock, about $9 each if I can help anyone out.
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2013, 06:00:29 am » |
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Ok I'm confused. I got some new ballast from Funtronics bit says preheat start. So do I need to wire in a starter on this assembly then. And where do I put it and what size do I need?
No, "pre-heat" is just the type of ballast it is, it may be used in any pre-heat circuit with a starter or 4-wire switch, just wire it like I showed you in the 4-wire switch diagram. |
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2013, 06:02:21 pm » |
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Ok so it i don't use a 4 wire switch. And just a two wire is a starter required
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2013, 08:05:01 pm » |
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Starters are rated by the lamp wattage, (listed on the starters can) Here's a link for those of you who are lazy bones.... http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/fluorescent-lamp-starters/ballasts/lighting/ecatalog/N-9fe Good hunting.  |
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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2013, 10:24:21 pm » |
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Well my memory was both right and wrong. Menard's was the wrong store but I did see the switches at a different store. Only problem is that it is out of town. Called them and they say they have 5 in stock. I asked them to hold them for me as I will be going through there next week. They are 4-wire switches, with two black wires, two blue wires. I will probably keep one but let me know if anyone out there wants any of the others. They said they were $9.49 each, which sounds a little high, but if you can't get them anymore I guess a couple bucks is no big deal.
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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2013, 12:04:36 am » |
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Spares are spoken for!!
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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2013, 07:07:34 am » |
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Another thing to consider...
When replacing a ballast with n electronic version, you do not need a four wire/pigtail switch, only two wires are needed for the circuit.
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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2013, 06:25:14 pm » |
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Another thing to consider...
When replacing a ballast with n electronic version, you do not need a four wire/pigtail switch, only two wires are needed for the circuit.
the ballast that funtronics sells requires the 4 wire switch... if someone has a source for a different ballast that can accomodate a two wire I'd be interested to know. and that two wire switch is it just a toggle style like on and off or some thing different. Thanks john |
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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2013, 07:39:15 pm » |
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Roberstsondirect.com has any and every ballast you could ever want.
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