Cavalier c-55e

[reddarb]

I recently purchased a c-55E single vend and I also purchased a manual, but the wiring diagram in the manual is unreadable. Does anyone have one they could email me?? Thanks

[BrianB]

First off, congrats on the "new" machine! The C-55D which is just an earlier version of the C-55E was my very first machine that I restored and it's in use down in my basement gameroom, I love that little machine and I think you will too! 

If you give me your email address, I'll send you a copy of the wiring diagram. The "D" is electrically the same with the exception of the lighted sign wiring which added a ballast, a starter, flourescent bulb and two bulb receptacles.

This should get you started untill a C-55E owner chimes in with a specific wiring diagram.

Oh yeah, are you having an eletrical related problem that I, or somebody else here, might be able to help you with?

[Ltransam]

 Hello, Reddarb

 Welcome to the Gang !!  Brian Is Correct They are Cool Machines !  I own 3 Total . Mine Are All Working But Unfortunately  I don't Use them They Just Collect Dust In the Garage ,. I'll Check When I get home . I believe I have a Good Picture Or Scan .Plus I believe The Person Brian May be Talking about Did Send Me a Decal Of the Wiring from the Picture I took .
But Don't Worry There Are a Couple Other That Have c-55 That 'll Chime in I'm Sure .

                                                   Leonard

[reddarb]

Well I got the c-55E in an on line auction without looking at it.

 The problem I have I have no lights,even after wiring for free vend , the vend relay moves but I can not get the vend motor to move. I have disconnected the door switch, the flapper switch seems to be working, but the lights and vend motor do not move.

I have pulled the vending part out of the machine and manual turned the gears and them seem to work, but I do not have access to the timer switch by the motor.

At least the refrigeration that works fine.

So I ordered a manual from funtronics and there wiring diagram is terrible. That was a waste of money. The only thing I could think of is the vend relay is bad.

[collecture]

...I can not get the vend motor to move.....
I have pulled the vending part out of the machine and manual turned the gears and them seem to work, but I do not have access to the timer switch by the motor.

You should be able to hook up a plug to the vend motor and plug it into a wall outlet. It should turn when power is supplied to the motor. Don't let it run continuously....a revolution or less - just make sure it works when power is supplied to it.

I had (and still have) a vend motor for a Westinghouse WB Select-O-Matic that was a sealed type motor too. I could turn the cam by hand and it seemed OK, but the gears inside were stripped and would not turn the cam electronically.

Hard motor to find if it is bad!! I hope not!

Here is a pic of my wiring diagram. PM me your email address if you need a higher res pic.

[BrianB]

Hey Tom,

The wiring diagram that you have is for a 2-drink 55E, his is a single drink. Just didn't want any extra confusion.

[MCarter]

I have a couple extra motors.

[collecture]

The wiring diagram that you have is for a 2-drink 55E, his is a single drink. Just didn't want any extra confusion.

Sorry, didn't read it all I guess - subject says c-55e...thought the single flavor was the 'D' model??

[reddarb]

Sorry, I did not state what it was, but the tag on the side says c-55E, but it is a single vend version.

Unless, I am missing something I do not have access to the download area even when I am logged in. Hmmm

Rob

[collecture]

Unless, I am missing something I do not have access to the download area even when I am logged in. Hmmm

Go to http://soda-machines.com/
Do not click on Discussion Areas
Scroll down and on the left login with your user name and password.
Unless it is a limited access area as another member stated, you should see Downloads there on the left as well under User Menu.

How about some pics of your machine reddarb?

[reddarb]

Well today I decided to restore my c-55E,And there was some surprises.

1. My vend motor is locked up.
2. I found that the cavalier company was supporting the bottom of the inside housing (the one that supports the vending machine) with 2 pieces of wood.
3. And a few other problems....

Now some decisions.
1. Powder coat or paint ??
2. Rebuild locked up motor or buy another.
3. How to replace the wood installed in the bottom...
4. Were to get new insulation?
5. Where to get a new chrome piece for the bottom. (seems the old one is glued on)...

Now I will break down the outer door , and go on.....

[scalebowler]

For my machine I went to home depot and bought some fiberglass insulation. Unfaced R-19 insulation is the stuff I used.

[collecture]

I have pulled the vending part out of the machine and manual turned the gears and them seem to work, but I do not have access to the timer switch by the motor.

1. My vend motor is locked up.

So, what you are saying is the motor lock up and you cannot turn the cam by hand?

When you first said that you could turn the gears by hand, were you referring to the vending assembly and not the vend motor? I misunderstood.

I had a vend motor from a Westinghouse machine that I could not budge by hand or hammer. I blasted every available surface & orafice on that motor with PB Blaster...let it sit a while in the sun...blasted it again....tapped the shaft with a hammer....repeat.... and then went into the shop and hooked the wires up to a plug...gave it short jolts of electricity and bam it started working.

After many of these old machines left the life of service, neglect set in. Unfortunately, either the machine sat unused for years upon years or someone used them but did not maintain them.

[BrianB]

When it comes to powdercoating on this machine, there are a few parts that this would work great on. Pretty much everything inside the vending mech with the exception of the mech shaft and the gears. I wouldn't powdercoat the main body of the machine or anything painted red. Get it sprayed.

As far as the motor goes. If Tom's idea of soaking it in PB Blaster or a like product doesn't work, MCarter has a couple of good used vend motors that will fit your machine. If you take your motor to a shop, you are probably looking at around at least $100 to get started and that's on the low side.

The (2) peices of wood/pressed fiber board is 100% stock and very easy to replace, I cut new wood for mine. You could use oak, poplar, and the list goes on. I personally would use a hardwood. After cutting it to size, make sure you spray/brush a couple of good heavey coats of polyurethane on it to protect it from any further moisture.

Scalebowler nailed the insulation question on the head, cut unfaced, R-19 to fit. If you can't find any unfaced insulation, you can buy the paper faced stuff and remove the paper facing, it comes of pretty easily.

Which chrome peice are you refering too? Do you have any pictures?

[reddarb]

As far as the vend motor the gears turned fine, but when I took it apart I realized it was turning due to the roll pin was sheared, but the motor was locked up. What are the two vents on top of the motor? For oil? And if it is oil what type?

I was thinking about changing the wood to a steel. It looked like size of a 2x4, I was going to purchase a steel 2x4 and cut that.

 But before I get that step I have to have some sand blasting done to the cabinet . I will try to get some pictures soon.

The chrome piece I am referring to is the one on the very bottom of the machine in the front.

Rob

[BrianB]

Yes, the (2) flip-up caps on top are for oil. 20W Motor Oil works fine. When I say motor oil I don't mean the stuff you put in your car. Here's a picture of what I'm talking about. The motor use in the C-55 is more than likely not 1/4 h.p. but this oil is still ok to use and works great.



You could use metal if you like, should work fine. I've attached a picture of what I used in my C-55 resto.

[loman4ec]

In my experience metal 2x4's are usually aluminum. I would use a hardwood like Brian suggested and treat it. I would think you would get more strength from the wood than thin aluminum 2x4's. Many machines used wood. Another idea would be the newer trex plastic wood for decking. That would be strong and last forever.