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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2006, 08:30:26 pm » |
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Vendo 81 B, C, D
VMC 81 Pepsi, 7up, RC, Generic
6CV Coke, RC, Pepsi
VMC 110 RC
Vendo 39
Jacobs 26
Mills 47
Selectivend 64 7up NOS
Plus 30-50 parts and project machines
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2006, 08:40:54 pm » |
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This Is the guy I bought my C-27 from >And in another post I think 2 weeks back I told everyone he has I beleive a total of 16 of these 81s & other Machines .He seem's to mainly Buy & Sell a lot of trucks & Car's .
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Glascock Counter Top
VMC 81 7Up
Vendo-110-81D-V-56 V-23
Jacobs Pepsi-56
Stoner Cookie &5 Pull Pastry& 180 Candy
Kelvinator FS-51(Canada)
Cavalier's C-55-E-C-55-D
Selmix Sprite
Selmix Pepsi on Draugh
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2006, 07:59:38 pm » |
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Is the BIN value anywhere near what the machine is worth or grosely inflated ?
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2006, 11:29:34 pm » |
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As far as the BIN price, it is hard to tell because I don't think enough of these machines have sold recently enough to tell. I guess it is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, and right now the BIN is not it!
The seller also has a 7-UP that has a high BIN. I think the last one I saw sell was Moondawg's and it went for 4000.00 and some change. If I ever hit the powerball, I will try to get one of each of those machines. But for now I just have to dream.
Something else that I have been considering lately is.... What are these machines going to do in 10 or 20 years. Is the bottom going to drop out of these machines of are they going to keep going up. Once most of the people who really remember these type machines are to old to care or dead, is the younger generation going to care for them as much as us?? I would sure hate to shell almost 12 grand for a machine and it deflate in value so that my kids have to give it away when I'm gone.
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2006, 11:53:27 pm » |
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I had a guy come over to give me an estimate for felling a tree I have in my back yard (the power line runs through it or I would do it). His helper couldn't have been more than 30 and he was totally staring at my machines. There are quite a few people on this site that are in the 20-30 range. I think the machines will always have an audience, but who knows how the prices will hold. I enjoy them and that is all that matters to me. Unless I can find and RC81, 7UP81, DP81 for $2000 or less, I probably will never own one. My kids can have one of my machines or not - the wife doesn't care about them. I am not buying machines for them anyway and don't plan on financing my retirement on them.
I figure this is probably the worst original shape RC81 he has - I wonder what his nicest one looks like?
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Cav 27, 33, CS-55E-2, 72
S-48 DP
Ideal CC 35, Barq's 55
1930s DP Counter Cooler
Vendo Coin Changers (ea. style - orig w/ stand)
Vendo Junior (rest.), 23 Deluxe, 39D, 44, 56RT, 80SS, 81A (orig), 81D, 6 C.V.
VMC 27, 27A, 81D DP, 110 DP
Westy WC-42-T, WC-44SK, WD-5(2), WB60
Victor C-14
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2006, 02:18:28 am » |
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I know that we have spoken abuot this before. I am of the firm opinion that you should collect becuase you enjoy rather than for investment. (I know it costs me twice at least what it costs you guys)
If you look at the Classic car market, certainly here in the UK. Cars that are from the same era as our soda machines no longer demand the same premium as they used to. That's simply because the people with the spare cash want an item that they recall from their childhood and they tend to be in the 40-50 bracket. That equates to the 1960's & 70's. Square tops. That's the way to go if you want to invest. Good quality good looking sqaure tops.
Unlike jukes, as long as there is a product to put in the Round top machine I think there will be some sort of a market for them. So as long as Pepsi & coke make bottles and they are readily available people will buy old soda machines.
Jukes are another matter. I have three 1950's Jukes and they certianly turn heads. At BBQ's the kids love them, providing they play music they know (Grease etc) The people that really admire them for what they are are my parents and their generation. Even people from my generation look at them in awe for about ten minutes and then start fiddling with the Stereo System.
Jukes from the 1950's must have 45's to go in them. As there is very little in the way of new releases on 45 (I know that it is flavour of the month for some bands to release on 45 but they are not readily available in say Walmart) The juke market has suffered since I started collecting. If I look at the market now in comparision to say seven years ago (Before Ebay) you can now pick up 1950's and 1940's boxes at a much lower price than before.
I remember dealers saying you have to grab them now because they are all drying up. Well either the same boxes are selling and re-selling all the time or that was clearly a marketing ploy to get you to buy.
As always buy to enjoy and strive to buy the best you can afford. As long as you get that warm glow as you walk in the room does it matter that they are not going up in price as quickly as your stocks and shares.
I justify my obsession (And it is that) by the fact that I am saving a piece of history.
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2006, 10:59:45 am » |
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The RC and 7up 81's are going to a different market than the Coke and Pepsi 81's.
A financilly comfortable guy finds a Coke 81a, then like us he finds an 81b and buys it. Next on his list is a Coke 81d followed by a Pepsi 81 and a generic 81 to make into Dr Pepper, all of which are not extremely hard to locate if price is not a factor.
In order for him to own the complete set of 81's he must hunt down the last two, RC and 7up and both were low production so scarcity is the major factor here.
The real value is not his buy it now asking price, but what price the high bidder is willing to pay.
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2006, 11:12:25 pm » |
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I once again, agree with Moondawg.. value can only be determined by what someone is willing to pay, and if someone out there really wants one to complete his collection and money is no object ,maybe he'll BIN or bid high and get it just to complete his collection. But what we all have to remember and help educate the "others" out there that whatever this machine sells for, doesn't automatically set the Bar and therefore all machines that are left are now valued at that price.. We see it all the time with Anything Coca-Cola. The little old lady or out of touch anitique dealer thinks, "We'll if it says COKE on it, it's worth a fortune" simply not true.. but supply and demand and what one is willing to pay. Ok have I just repeated what everyone was just talking about???
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2006, 03:01:01 pm » |
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Believe it or not, I seen a restored one sell a couple of years ago in Bakersfield for 23K!!  '>
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Lots of Round Top machines
Buy-Sell-Trade-Restorations
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2006, 10:47:25 am » |
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About 10 years ago I found an original RC 81 exactly like the one for sale now, except that it had no chips or dings. It's only problem was the red letters had somehow been buffed off and the lady selling it thought it was a Coke machine painted yellow.
She said she would accept nothing less than $500.00. When I get some time I will try and find the pictures. Even back then, before internet and I was new to soda machines, it only took a few phone calls to fetch $5500.00. Sure wish I'd kept it!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2006, 03:11:54 pm » |
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I can just hear the little old lady... "Listen here sonny, this here is a very valuable Coke machine and I wont take a dime less than 500 for it , got it!!!" if she only knew!
Great story!!! '>
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2006, 06:21:16 am » |
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Well it did not reach the reserve price.
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2006, 06:58:00 am » |
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It didnt do as well as I thought it would.
Joey
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Collector of nice original paint machines
Vendo 81 B, C, D
VMC 81 Pepsi, 7up, RC, Generic
6CV Coke, RC, Pepsi
VMC 110 RC
Vendo 39
Jacobs 26
Mills 47
Selectivend 64 7up NOS
Plus 30-50 parts and project machines
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2006, 08:49:42 pm » |
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Skeleton Man... A round top will come your way! they're out there.... sitting in sheds, garages
barns, there sre people STILL that have these and just don't know what to do with them.
You'll see.... look hard enough, ask around, tell everyone you know what you're looking
and one will come your way! Then you can share the story with all of us!
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2006, 11:00:36 am » |
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davethebirdman made a statement about jukes and I'd like to chime in. I never understood why my Seeburg 100R or Wurlitzer 1700HR jukes were worth so much less than my coke machine (CS-72). Coke machines are frankly easier to restore than a jukebox of the same era. I have three Seeburg 100Rs that could be restored, but I couldn't get $700 a piece for them. If you had a 'restorable' CS-72 or CS-96, you could get $1000 each. It doesn't cost much to completely restore a coke machine. A jukebox, on the other hand, will set you back $1000 for the re-chroming and countless hours for rebuilding the amp, selector, receiver, coin mech, and all the veneer work. In the end, the Juke is worth perhaps $4000 restored. About the same retail price as the coke machine. My game room has 4 pinball games, 2 jukeboxes, and the CS-72. I have the Wurlitzer 1700 up in my office. The CS-72 gets attention, but my son (2 y.o.) loves the jukebox. You're right about 45s, but I got 5000 in one lot from a route owner for around $150. They span the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. I think iPODs and other devices have made jukeboxes moot in some respects. They look nice, but few people can justify $4,000 for one. They still make coke machines and frankly they're not that different than ones from the 1950s. The technology is not that different. With the coke machines, I'm just waiting for someone to create 'repro' embossed RC and 7up 81 parts. It seems it's just the front door. How difficult would it be to create that one part and then 'create' one? Wurlitzer has a few reproduction machines and these appear to keep selling. If they can make a reproduction Vendo 44, couldn't they also make a reproduction VMC-81 with Coke / 7-Up and RC options? When the Wurlitzer 1015 came out as a reproduction, it tanked the market in some respects. You don't see people shelling out $10K for an original when you can get a repro that "OK" for most people for $4,000 (less used). I'm glad I stumbled upon this hobby because it's frankly easier to deal with than Jukes. Once I restore my last juke, I'm out of that hobby ... too much work.
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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2006, 11:13:57 am » |
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Seems someone stamped out a few 7up embossed plates to be welded into a non-embossed
81... I've seen them on eBay. If you knew someone that could make a die it wouldn't be that hard
but would be expensive.. that is heavy/thick metal so it would take a beefy die to press those out.
I guess the demand just isn't there yet.
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« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2006, 02:05:23 pm » |
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Quote & Snip ( You don't see people shelling out $10K for an original when you can get a repro that "OK" for most people for $4,000 (less used). I'm glad I stumbled upon this hobby because it's frankly easier to deal with than Jukes. Once I restore my last juke, I'm out of that hobby ... too much work. collinsf on Aug. 25 2006) Quote
I agree with everything you have said but here's my take. It seems when we reach an age where we start investing or collecting it's always something we saw as kids. For me it's old soda machines, pinballs, and jukboxes. All of these things got real popular and prices were climbing. Then between the stock bubble bursting and 9/11 a lot of peoples paper money in thier stocks and 401Ks took a dump. Now most folks that work for corporate america haven't seen much of an increase of salary if they haven't been laid off with the downsizing. Everybody is sweating gas and inflation. I can't get the money now that I was getting for the more common machines 5 years ago. Juke Box restorers like Victory glass couldn't keep restored seeburgs on thier floor. Now they couldn't move them so they got out of it completely. I had a complete restored Seeburg B that I had over $2300 in it and could only get $1800 out of it. 5 years ago I could have got $3500 no problems. I think that a lot of disposable or easy money is gone for most folks. People are not buying these things but sandbagging thier money because they are scared. That's why prices are dropping IMHO. This is a buyers market now so buy, buy , buy! If your patient you can get anything with a little luck
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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2006, 04:33:06 pm » |
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Have Victory Glass got out??? That's a bit of a shock.
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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2006, 07:25:03 pm » |
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They still sell parts but they now longer sell restored machines.  '>
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