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« on: February 03, 2013, 03:14:28 pm » |
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I have an original Westinghouse Model # L-25-CF that came out of a Vendo Junior. Is this worth putting the money into it or should I consider a new unit? The ID tag reads as follows; Model L-25-CF Style 1139665 Volts 110 Amps 4 Cycle 60 Test Pressure 200 Refrigerant F12 LBS of Refrigerant 60 Thanks  |
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kbareit
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2013, 03:47:56 pm » |
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Does it run and cool?
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2013, 03:52:57 pm » |
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Wow, 60 lbs of refrigerant, that's one kick-a$$ Junior!  I believe it should be about 6- ounces of R12 |
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« Last Edit: February 03, 2013, 03:57:55 pm by johnieG »
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Spoon-feeding Newbies since 2001...  Yeah..220,221 whatever it takes. Remember, all it needs is a shot of Freon! The Vendo V-83 is the '59 Edsel of the coke machine world. ;p Spray painting does NOT restore a compressor 11 is louder than 10... "Hope" is good, but it's not an action plan. |
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2013, 04:00:25 pm » |
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Wow, 60 lbs of refrigerant, that's one kick-a$$ Junior! I believe it should be about 6- ounces of R12 Gives new meaning to just needs a shot of Freon. |
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Cavalier 27
Jacobs 26
Ideal 55 Hires root beer, 7-Up restored
Ideal 55 Pepsi, Barqs original
Double cola,Squirt,Nesbitts,Canada Dry on deck
3 Westy 60's
3 Westy 78's
Cav 72 original
S&S 1400 WD2 Pepsi
Stoner Junior
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2013, 04:02:27 pm » |
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Gives new meaning to just needs a shot of Freon.
Hah! also a good one!  PS...60lbs of R12 would be about $1800.00 worth of coolant. |
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« Last Edit: February 03, 2013, 04:08:16 pm by johnieG »
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Spoon-feeding Newbies since 2001... Yeah..220,221 whatever it takes. Remember, all it needs is a shot of Freon! The Vendo V-83 is the '59 Edsel of the coke machine world. ;p Spray painting does NOT restore a compressor 11 is louder than 10... "Hope" is good, but it's not an action plan. |
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ClassicCokeLover
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2013, 04:09:31 pm » |
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That would be F12.
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2013, 04:47:28 pm » |
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That would be F12.
F-12 is the same as R-12 the F stands for Freon. |
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Cavalier 27
Jacobs 26
Ideal 55 Hires root beer, 7-Up restored
Ideal 55 Pepsi, Barqs original
Double cola,Squirt,Nesbitts,Canada Dry on deck
3 Westy 60's
3 Westy 78's
Cav 72 original
S&S 1400 WD2 Pepsi
Stoner Junior
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2013, 05:11:24 pm » |
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Wow, 60 lbs of refrigerant, that's one kick-a$$ Junior! I believe it should be about 6- ounces of R12 Well this happens to be an extremely rare unit produced by Westinghouse. It is very rarely seen model that was a prototype for future models. This may be something that only a few have ever had the chance to see. A true piece of history!  |
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2013, 05:57:23 pm » |
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OK, let's try this again.
Does anyone have an early Copeland or Tecumseh catalog that would have a cross reference for a compatible unit in place of the Westinghouse model L-25-CF?
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2013, 07:07:05 pm » |
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I went to both Tecumseh and Copeland and came up empty. I even ran it past the supply house and they had nothing on Westinghouse. I'll dig a little more and see if I can find anything.
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Cavalier 27
Jacobs 26
Ideal 55 Hires root beer, 7-Up restored
Ideal 55 Pepsi, Barqs original
Double cola,Squirt,Nesbitts,Canada Dry on deck
3 Westy 60's
3 Westy 78's
Cav 72 original
S&S 1400 WD2 Pepsi
Stoner Junior
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2013, 10:24:03 pm » |
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Tecumseh model AEA4430AXA, [Part no. AE155AL-238-J7 115V/60hz, 1/4 HP R12 w/ service valve & start capacitor]. You'll have to order the isolation rubber mounts/ hardware kit separately.
Now I just wanted to say good luck, and we're all counting on you...and don't call me Shirley.
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Spoon-feeding Newbies since 2001... Yeah..220,221 whatever it takes. Remember, all it needs is a shot of Freon! The Vendo V-83 is the '59 Edsel of the coke machine world. ;p Spray painting does NOT restore a compressor 11 is louder than 10... "Hope" is good, but it's not an action plan. |
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2013, 07:03:40 am » |
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Tecumseh model AEA4430AXA, [Part no. AE155AL-238-J7 115V/60hz, 1/4 HP R12 w/ service valve & start capacitor]. You'll have to order the isolation rubber mounts/ hardware kit separately.
Now I just wanted to say good luck, and we're all counting on you...and don't call me Shirley.
Now that's quality service!!! I'll look into that model for the spec's as to the dimensions. Many thanks Shirley, um... I mean JohnieG |
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2013, 01:46:21 pm » |
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My local refrigerant shop is quoting a replacement "low temp" condensing unit, because the Westinghouse ID tag has an "L" as the first character of the model number. These weren't considered low temp, were they?
Is there a difference in price range when looking at operating temps on new units?
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2013, 04:39:30 pm » |
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These machines (soda machines & beverage coolers in general) are considered Medium temperature applications, low temp' applications are called Freezers!
so in a nutshell...
Low temp = below +35 F
Medium temp = +35 F to +45 F
High temp = +45 F and above
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« Last Edit: March 06, 2013, 04:54:17 pm by johnieG »
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Spoon-feeding Newbies since 2001... Yeah..220,221 whatever it takes. Remember, all it needs is a shot of Freon! The Vendo V-83 is the '59 Edsel of the coke machine world. ;p Spray painting does NOT restore a compressor 11 is louder than 10... "Hope" is good, but it's not an action plan. |
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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2013, 04:50:05 pm » |
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I'll look into the model that you recommended earlier. Seems like a Tecumseh "High Temp" model is within the range desired. High Temp +20 +45, Commercial Temp -10 +45, Low Temp -40 +10. These are the three ranges listed on the Tecumseh site.
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2013, 05:01:56 pm » |
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remember that in real life your evap' air discharge temp will be about 8-10 degrees warmer than the core itself due to heat exchange inefficiencies. (real life, not theory, don't overwork the math) and the ranges can be tweaked by adjusting the charge & the thermostat used,etc... a medium temp unit can certainly go a bit below +32/0C it's just not as efficient as the low temp model at doing so. just like a high temp unit can get down to +32. it's a soda machine, not a heart-lung bypass perfusion unit.
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« Last Edit: May 19, 2016, 05:34:50 pm by johnieG »
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Spoon-feeding Newbies since 2001... Yeah..220,221 whatever it takes. Remember, all it needs is a shot of Freon! The Vendo V-83 is the '59 Edsel of the coke machine world. ;p Spray painting does NOT restore a compressor 11 is louder than 10... "Hope" is good, but it's not an action plan. |
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2013, 06:39:25 pm » |
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"it's a soda machine, not a heart-lung bypass perfusion unit." Too funny!!! |
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« Last Edit: May 19, 2016, 05:35:21 pm by johnieG »
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2013, 09:48:55 pm » |
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Yeah! Just my old biomedical tech days chiming in with some words of (supposed) wisdom, or something like that. |
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Spoon-feeding Newbies since 2001... Yeah..220,221 whatever it takes. Remember, all it needs is a shot of Freon! The Vendo V-83 is the '59 Edsel of the coke machine world. ;p Spray painting does NOT restore a compressor 11 is louder than 10... "Hope" is good, but it's not an action plan. |
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