Penny Box

[Crazzy Canuck]

Found an old penny box in the barn the other day I totally forgot about. (pic below) Just purchased another Jacobs 26 and might mount it on this one (not the one in pic) after I'm done restoration.
 How do these things marry with the other coin mechanism and vending mechanism?

Thanks. Mark

[johnieG]

you can't unless the machine has an electric coinmech.

[MoonDawg]

      Nice penny box, but I would hang it on the wall.....never on a restored machine

[collecture]

you can't unless the machine has an electric coinmech.

Not necessarily true - The 4405 model was used on the V-83 (not the electronic conversion) and the 4406 model was used on the Jacobs 26.

I'll try to scan some pages detailing how they were connected in the next few days.

[BrianB]

They look great restored! If you need the slug rejector done, talk to Tom (Collecture), he did a bang-up job on mine for a really great price!

[collecture]

I just submitted a PDF file for the Penny Box pages I have. It should be available to in the Downloads section as soon as Jim authorizes it.

[Crazzy Canuck]

I wondered as I've seen Jacobs for sale with a metal looking base/bracket with the same looking coin box mounted before.
 Brian, that looks sharp.

Thanks as well Tom. I'll be sure to check it out.

[vendo39]

Anyone know what these penny boxes typically sell for? 

I saw one the other day in an antique store and they were asking about $200 if I remember correctly.  I thought that seemed high.

[collecture]

Typically between $50 and $100 (+/-) is my guess, but I don't see them often enough to have a good grasp of value.
I've owned 2-3 of them and paid between $40 and $70 for each of them.
I sold a nice clean complete original (the $40 one) on eBay for over $400 several years ago. 
I currently have a complete penny rejector (with wired switch) for one.

[VMC 81]

they look lik ethe boxes that would be on those kiidie rides in front of the stores back when.

[collecture]

they look lik ethe boxes that would be on those kiidie rides in front of the stores back when.

They are a little smaller than those as I recall.

[collecture]

I see that Jim has authorized the P.B. manual and it is now available for viewing or to download.
Thanks Jim!

[BrianB]

The NRI "Penny Box" is smaller and more rounded than than the typical old kiddie ride coin mech boxes.

I paid $40 for mine at the Kane County Coin-op Show a few years ago. It was complete but rusty and was open but missing the key as usual. I sold it on Ebay last year for around $200.

[Crazzy Canuck]

I bought mine at Kance County as well for $65 which I didn't think was bad for a clean complete original. The ones on the kiddie rides look almost the same as the slider mech/box but ya you're right.

[johnieG]

Not necessarily true - The 4405 model was used on the V-83 (not the electronic conversion) and the 4406 model was used on the Jacobs 26.

I'll try to scan some pages detailing how they were connected in the next few days.

but to clarify, an electric type penny box will or won't work on a machine with a mechanical vending mechanism.  but it also depends on what model he's holding up to the Jacob's in the first picture.

[collecture]

I saw one on a V-23 once, but I don't know how it was connected to the 23 mech.
You would need to connect a CREM and switch to the machine's mechanical mech. Once the penny is inserted in the penny box, the CREM is energized allowing coins to be accepted and then pass through the switch which would reset the circuit....my guess?

[BrianB]

Either that or it was used as an "Honor Box".

[davethebirdman]

Were Honor boxes different to the Penny Boxes??

Also seen on ebay a couple of times little boxes that dispensed paper napkins for the bottles.
Has anyone got one of those??

Dave

[Kilroy]

honor boxes weren't connected to the coin mech, they were attached to the machine to  collect and store the extra coin. You relied on the 'honor' of the customers to insert the penny, and not just the nickel ( or dime)  that passed through the machine.

 

[collecture]

Weren't the Honor boxes mainly used to collect the deposit on the bottles and not for the 'extra' cent or two?

[johnieG]

Were Honor boxes different to the Penny Boxes??

Also seen on ebay a couple of times little boxes that dispensed paper napkins for the bottles.
Has anyone got one of those??

Dave

I haven't seen one of those, but it would make sense for a wet-chest/water cooled machine or an ice chest where you wouldn't want to hold a wet bottle? I have seen old pictures of Ice chest &water-cooled style machines with a small towel attached to the side to wipe off the bottles after you'd pull it out of the chilled water.

[davethebirdman]

There have been a couple that I have seen on ebay I think rather than a napkin it might have been some sort of a paper bag...

I remeber thinking that would be nice and then forgetting all about it and not bidding...

[collecture]

It held a small paper bag or something that you would stick the bottle in as I recall - can't remember what exactly they called it. I haven't noticed one in quite a while, but then again I do not get on eBay as much anymore.

I must regress and say I think the 'Honor Boxes' were used for coolers and machines such as the Cavalier Office Cooler that did not have a coin mechanism. I still do not think that they were ever used to collect the extra penny or two because you were on your honor to pay whatever price was posted.

[BrianB]

My point in mentiong Honor Boxes was this, If the route operator wanted to upgrade ALL of his machines to accept extra coinage but didn't have the capability to due to the physical limitations of the machine, maybe they had some of the 4400 Series Penny Boxes sitting around anjust expected people to be honest and put the "extra" 1 or 2 cents in the box, then put the 5 cent's in the main coin entry bezel on the machine.

That almost sounds more feasible than trying to "rig" a switch and a solenoid of some sort to reset or cycle the coin mech in a non-electric Vendo 23.

[coke_and_stuff]

The little holder for the bottle bags is called a no drip. It was used for wet chests that when a bottle was pulled you put it in a bag to keep the bottle from dripping all over the floor.

Joey

[Kilroy]

The bags, or no drips do show up on Ebay   if anyone is interested

[collecture]

Brian,
I understand what you are saying and maybe that did indeed happen, but I'm sure Vendo had kits available with instructions on how to install it like what I uploaded. On certain other machines (like the V-23), Vendo probably issued kits and instuctional supplements detailing their installation procedures.
There were quite a few different coin operated machines still in the field when the price increased, so why would they limit the penny box to a handful? The C-27, C-33, C-51, V-39 and V-110 all had 5, 6, & 7 cent capable coin mechanisms, so there was no need to ever install them on those.

I also read somewhere that it was a tax collection box of sorts and was never associated with the price of Coke- anybody ever hear of that?

[Crazzy Canuck]

Stupid question but..........where's the "download area"?
 I opened my box yesterday and it has the 3 electrical wires as well. Will post pics later

Thanks. Mark

[collecture]

On the main page that you first come to where it has Soda Machines, Syrup Dispensers, Discussion Areas, etc. - scroll down and it is below them on the left.

You have to login on it to view it.

[Crazzy Canuck]

Now that is just awesome!!! Thankyou Tom. Perfect. I browsed through some other downloads and order a changer test kit with stand as well. LOL
Thanks again. Mark

[Crazzy Canuck]

Here's a pic of the inside of mine

whoops wrong one

[Crazzy Canuck]

Sorry guys, be paitient with me. LOL I hate confusers

[SIGNGUY]

The No Drip bags can be very collectable as well, most I've seen sell for around the 3-5 dollar mark, but I have seen some very rare ones bring Several HUNDRED Dollars.. They mainly where used on wet coolers, hence No drip... Like Joey said...
I think a completely different thing than the honor/penny box thing that is being discussed.. but still very cool

[coke_and_stuff]

I have a few of the no drip bottle protectors as well, I have also seen the little dispenser before that mounts on the Westinghouse machines near the bottle opener but never owned one of them.

Joey