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« on: December 02, 2006, 11:22:57 pm » |
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So i've seen you guys mention a vintage soda machine value guide type thing for machine values where do you get that?
I know browsing ebay and craigslist will show me what people are trying to sell things for but you can't always find every machine that way...and i'm sure some of the machines are WAY over priced....
so where do you get you estimated values from?
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2006, 11:43:45 pm » |
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Petretti's Coca Cola Collectibles Price Guide will give estimates on signs, coasters, belt buckles - you name it. He also has Collectible Soda Pop guides (other brands besides Coke) and others I'm sure.
For machines, Jeff Walters published a Classic Soda Machines guide - Steve Ebner (Fun-Tronics) also has a soda machine value guide in print.
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S-48 DP
Ideal CC 35, Barq's 55
1930s DP Counter Cooler
Vendo Coin Changers (ea. style - orig w/ stand)
Vendo Junior (rest.), 23 Deluxe, 39D, 44, 56RT, 80SS, 81A (orig), 81D, 6 C.V.
VMC 27, 27A, 81D DP, 110 DP
Westy WC-42-T, WC-44SK, WD-5(2), WB60
Victor C-14
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loman4ec
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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2006, 01:22:04 am » |
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Steve's guide is only for post 1960's machines. I Use jeff Walters 3rd edition guide. You can find them on ebay every now and then. Just make sure you get the 3rd edition. The prices are not 100% but it isn't a bad reference to use as a guideline. Also the size and weight information has been a great help for me in the past.
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Ridewithme38
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2006, 02:18:30 am » |
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Hmm everything i see for the jeff walters 3rd editions says it "Covers 1920's through late 1950's"
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2006, 03:10:43 am » |
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That is correct. Steve Ebner's guide that Dr Galaga posted a pic of is post 1960. Jeff Walters book is pre 1960. It is a good book. Like I said you can't follow the prices 100% of the time but it is a really good ballpark. For the common stuff the best guide is just watching ebay.
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Ridewithme38
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2006, 03:19:35 am » |
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hehe that sucks my machine was made between 1960-1970 i need both books  '>
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2006, 07:22:05 am » |
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I don't own Ebner's book, but it seems odd that it would be for post 1960's machines and have a cover that shows mainly 1950's machines.
I have been thinking of getting it also for a while now - hmm maybe a Christmas suggestion.
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Cav 27, 33, CS-55E-2, 72
S-48 DP
Ideal CC 35, Barq's 55
1930s DP Counter Cooler
Vendo Coin Changers (ea. style - orig w/ stand)
Vendo Junior (rest.), 23 Deluxe, 39D, 44, 56RT, 80SS, 81A (orig), 81D, 6 C.V.
VMC 27, 27A, 81D DP, 110 DP
Westy WC-42-T, WC-44SK, WD-5(2), WB60
Victor C-14
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2006, 07:37:40 am » |
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Yep Ebners first edition book was pre 1960 and the second edition is 1960+. I haven't been able to find the first edition. It has been out of print for a long time. But now that I think of it Ebners book itself does not have values. It just has information. It comes with a list of machines with their values and it was for all machines but the book and price guide is for Coke only. Walters book covers Coke, Pepsi, 7 Up, RC, and Dr Pepper, and a few other brands for the ideal sliders and Quikolds.
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2006, 08:01:11 am » |
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To sum things up...
Steve Ebner published two books: one covered pre 1960 machines/coolers manufactured only for Caca-Cola, first edition and the other covers post 1960 machines/coolers manufactered for Coca-Cola, thus the second edition
Jeff Walters offered three books that covered a variety of soda brands including Coca-Cola. These books aren't limited to machines/coolers manufactured for any one particular soda brand.
Shameless plug...  '>
Both the Second Edition of Steve Ebner's book and Third Edition of Jeff Walter's book are available on this Site in our SMC Vending Shop under Literature --> Books
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2006, 10:28:08 am » |
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From what I recall Ebners book estimates are a bit high?? I once had a man quote a price for me on a square top he was selling and it was very high. I passed on that machine. I think Walters book prices are more realistic.
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loman4ec
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2006, 10:41:38 am » |
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I agree. Mr Ebners prices especially on square tops is really high.
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Ridewithme38
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2006, 04:08:14 pm » |
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you guys should type out a value list(Based on your knowledge and what the book says)...and post it somewhere as a sticky for some reason you can't find a good list of values anywhere
Maybe we should come out with a SMC value guide!!
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Jim
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2006, 04:44:15 pm » |
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QUOTE Maybe we should come out with a SMC value guide!! I've thought about incorporating this on each soda machine/cooler page in the Soda Machines Section but felt this might become problematic as many people would have discrepancies with the value listings...
It's still a very doable process...
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2006, 05:03:48 pm » |
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The prices are usually listed as an estimate just for that reason! I would probly list the value and also list the guide or how i came about that value...usually people won't complain about prices to you if you say you got it from this and this guide or a sampling of auctions/guides
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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2006, 06:42:29 pm » |
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Steve Ebner's price guide that comes with the book is for both Volume 1 and 2. Mine is dated 1996.
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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2006, 06:00:27 pm » |
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The values had to have changed alot in 11 years!
Whenever someone quotes those value guides I don't think it is very accurate!
It would be like quoting muscle car values from 10 years ago.
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2006, 08:03:49 pm » |
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The dollar values in the guides actually tell us desireability. While a Mills machine may be rare, it's not worth as much as a Vendo 81. If book value on the restored 81 is 4500.00 but now in 2006 we see them sell for $6000.........we adjust our appraisal
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2006, 08:49:00 pm » |
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Glen
I agree to adjust for 2006. But alot of guys are quoting straight out of the guides when people ask for a value without adjusting. And I don't think that is realistic.
By the way it was nice to meet you last week, I enjoyed seeing your shop!
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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2006, 10:53:08 pm » |
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I disagree. 11 years ago the market for machines was way high and then the bottom fell out not too many years later. I have found that the prices for unrestored machines is really close. I agree that the restored prices are off but for example here are some unrestored prices from Walters book
V81D $1,950
V56 $1,950
V44$2,150
V39 $850
Jacobs 26 $1,500
Pepsi jacobs 56 $3,250
These seem to be pretty close to what I see things selling for right now. If anything they might even be slightly high.
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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2006, 11:24:36 pm » |
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Ya by the looks of the prices on those models it does seem to be what we see unrestored going for.
What effect do you think ebay had on that market?
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Ridewithme38
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2006, 11:29:45 pm » |
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Do any of these have an values for my Machine the Vendo V165-B?
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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2006, 06:24:04 pm » |
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(Jim @ Dec. 03 2006,8:01)
QUOTE Shameless plug... '> Both the Second Edition of Steve Ebner's book and Third Edition of Jeff Walter's book are available on this Site in our SMC Vending Shop under Literature --> Books |
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