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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2006, 10:52:09 pm » |
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Ah so it plays a mix of singles or whole sides, not individual tracks ? Always wondered.. a wallbox is a smaller wall mounted juke ?
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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2006, 10:58:05 pm » |
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Just googled wallbox and like most non-juke owners I did think the wallbox was a mini jukebox.. I guess it was more like a coin operated remote control than anything ?
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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2006, 01:02:06 am » |
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Yep, Its just the control back to the main juke or hideaway. Bit difficult trying to squash 50 45's and a mech into the back of those wallboxes.
A hideaway has the same insides as a normal jukebox (Mech, amp etc ) but no selection
buttons and its stuffed into a very non descript box. Used in diners etc where the owner
wires up as many wallboxes as he can to run from it. From an owners point of view wallboxes are good money makng machines. If three customers select the same song it will only play it once. Three times the money for one selection.
Its now possible to buy an interface to connect a wallbox to a computer. You can now choose exactly what track you want for your selections. I have one running in my gamesroom. You would never know the difference.
Dave
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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2006, 01:18:38 am » |
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Sounds like a neat feature.. I take it there were specific models of jukes it could be used on ?
Any idea how the communication worked ? (pulses of electricty to signal which selection, etc ?)
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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2006, 06:00:19 am » |
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Most wallboxes were hard-wired and did utilize pulses similar to older phone technology to perform the selection. If my memory serves me, most used a three conductor cable for the interconnect.
There are systems that use wireless technology as well, Seeburg and Wurlitzer come to mind but there could be a few other manufacturers.
Some of the Wurlitzer wireless units are from the early 1940s. I have a manual on the early wireless units from Wurlitzer and really thought this is advanced technology for jukeboxes.
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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2006, 06:38:45 am » |
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Man, I have soo much to learn abou this stuff... I noticed the 33 1/3rd, but I figured it was the wrong glass for the machine. The records in it are 45's now. I did see something about slowing down the rpms as an option for this machine. but I thought it would have been full sized albums... I need some sites to look at for these things.. My wife told me I can't touch this thing until I redo my family room. Its project I've been putting off for over a year because its gonna be a PITA. Last night, we had a party and one of my buddies is a demolition guy... he will be over with a crew in 2 weeks to rip my fireplace apart and cut a trench in my floor  '>
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U-Select-It 5cent candybar machine
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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2006, 07:53:58 am » |
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I have a Rockola that can play at 33. It pushes down levers on the turntable and
slows the speed down. I 've never been able to get it to work poperly.
I Know that lots of restorers never invested time in ensuring that this worked when they
overhauled a machine because there has never been much need for it.
Jim is definately right asbout the pulses. Its three wires for the Seeburg 3W1. Hardwired into the stepper unit in the juke.
I think Seeburg were the only ones to provide a stepper as part of the juke package. The other three provided it as an add on. The 3W1 was also very versatile in that it could be wired up with a little bit of knowledge to most other jukes of that era. That's why there are so many more 3W1 wallboxes around than any other make.
The gadget that sits between the wallbox and the PC converts the pulses into selections. Very clever, specially if you don't have the space for a full blown juke.
Dave
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2006, 09:47:08 am » |
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(Jim @ Oct. 29 2006,6:00)
QUOTE Most wallboxes were hard-wired and did utilize pulses similar to older phone technology to perform the selection.
What I like doing is when one of my friends or relatives is by the jukebox, I go to a wallbox and make a slection. The relays clicking away at the pulses is pretty loud and they will usually jump! '>  |
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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2006, 09:59:56 am » |
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Dave... can you post a link to the pc hookup system... I've got a buddy that is very interested in it.
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V-63 -Bottles
2-Cavalier USS-64
VMC ST56B Royal Crown - being built
Vendo HA56C Coke
2-V63C DP
V63C Coke
U-Select-It 5cent candybar machine
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