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Trouble-Shooting => Refrigeration => Topic started by: choice120 on December 27, 2008, 09:43:52 am



Title: Vendo 56 Square top question
Post by: choice120 on December 27, 2008, 09:43:52 am
I am in the process of restoring a v56. On the refrigeration system I have hooked up a 3 in 1 starter. As I was trouble shooting I noticed when I plug the compressor directly into an extension cord the all the coils on the evaporator get nice and frosty with a frost built up on them. When I go to run the the unit normal with the compressor plugged into the power block only the top 2 or so coils get frost  built up on them. Is this normal when the system is running in a normal configuration or not ? I have the whole unit out of the machine so there is no way to test how well it cools. Thanks Guys :drinking:
Here is a pic of what the evaporator looks like when every thing is hooked up normally.
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a34/spanishsilver/Soda%20Pics/vendo%2056%20resto%20photos/DSC_0034.jpg)

Here is the other side
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a34/spanishsilver/Soda%20Pics/vendo%2056%20resto%20photos/DSC_0033.jpg)

When I plug in just the compressor with an extension cord the whole evaporator gets frosty like the couple coils above.  :help:


Title: Re: Vendo 56 Square top question
Post by: choice120 on December 27, 2008, 04:05:17 pm
Here is the evaporator with the compressor plugged directly into an extension cord. All coils are nice and frosty.
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a34/spanishsilver/Soda%20Pics/vendo%2056%20resto%20photos/DSC_0038.jpg)

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a34/spanishsilver/Soda%20Pics/vendo%2056%20resto%20photos/DSC_0039.jpg)

Do you think it could be the power block the compressor plugs into may be at fault since it works on an extension cord?


Title: Re: Vendo 56 Square top question
Post by: collecture on December 27, 2008, 04:09:11 pm
I can't see how the use of an extension cord could possibly change things, but maybe somebody more knowledgable about refrigeration systems will chime in.


Title: Re: Vendo 56 Square top question
Post by: zadd on December 27, 2008, 06:26:12 pm
In my experience plugging it into the extension cord directly showed that the unit had freon and worked . If the unit frosted plugged into the extension cord and not in the power block I would say it needs a new thermostat . I bought several non cooling machines and plugged them into the extension cord and had them frost then replaced the t-stat and they worked great . Just my two cents :biggrin:


Title: Re: Vendo 56 Square top question
Post by: choice120 on December 29, 2008, 10:15:11 pm
figured it out. low refrigerant. Bought a can of freeze 12 added a little and she is down to 31 degrees in 30 minutes. I now know I must have a small leak and will have to either find it or replace system. whats the best way to find a leak?


Title: Re: Vendo 56 Square top question
Post by: zadd on December 30, 2008, 07:24:52 am
Pressurize the system to manufacture specs with a gas (nitogen I think) and look for the leak. Also look for a oily spot around the coils or cooling lines . It could be a rusty condenser then you might be screwed . Just my two cents .


Title: Re: Vendo 56 Square top question
Post by: choice120 on December 30, 2008, 08:48:39 am
I think you are right rusty condenser. I may have a deck lined up from someone. Hopefully?


Title: Re: Vendo 56 Square top question
Post by: johnieG on December 30, 2008, 09:46:46 am
For small & really small leaks, the best method I've used is UV leak detector dye injected into the system & a UV lightsource (FYI...UV=Ultra-Violet light ie: "Black-light") you can pickup a UV dye injection kit fairly affordably, & you can find them locally at most automotive supply shops ( Murrays, Autozone, PEP Boys, etc.) they may have them behind the counter/in the back at this time of year, so you may have to ask them to let you have a look in the back to locate a kit) or you could maybe rent an electronic refrigerant leak detector


Title: Re: Vendo 56 Square top question
Post by: Yarochrehc on December 30, 2008, 11:17:07 pm
You can also use some soapy water and spray it on the coils, copper lines to see if any bubbles form, if so you have found your leak


Title: Re: Vendo 56 Square top question
Post by: zadd on December 31, 2008, 07:18:10 am
Looking at your photo's again . I think the coils are doing what there suppose to be doing . I would make sure both fans are working and replace the t-stat and see how she cools . I still think it's just a bad t-stat  :smile: