Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: Seven181 on April 25, 2007, 08:45:39 pm
Guys,
I am thinking of having my first soda machine inside done with powder coating. It this a good idea? What is the best way to restore the insides of an old machine, this way or another way? Here is what I am up against. The inside of my VMC 88 is in ok shape, but needs to have something done. Looking for recomendations here. I found a local guy that will do the rack and inside liner pretty cheap.
I am thinking of having my first soda machine inside done with powder coating. It this a good idea? What is the best way to restore the insides of an old machine, this way or another way? Here is what I am up against. The inside of my VMC 88 is in ok shape, but needs to have something done. Looking for recomendations here. I found a local guy that will do the rack and inside liner pretty cheap.
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: sodaworks on April 25, 2007, 10:38:53 pm
Brian,
I pm'd you. I use silver hammertone paint. Very durable and it looks great.
I pm'd you. I use silver hammertone paint. Very durable and it looks great.
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: BryanH on April 25, 2007, 11:15:05 pm
Brian, I think powder coating is supposed to be the most durable but more expensive... but most of us that do the work ourselves use hammerite or hammertone. Question of cost and capability.
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Post by: Bob K on April 26, 2007, 06:24:26 am
I just used Rustoleum silver Hammertone on the liner of my current project. Save your money on the powdercoating - you'll find plenty of other places to spend it before you're done 
Bob
Bob
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: zadd on April 26, 2007, 06:24:57 am
I was thinking about having the liner and all interior parts powder coated on the ideal 55 I'm doing but didn't know if that would hurt the outer liner clips that hold the cooling coils?
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: Eric on April 26, 2007, 07:46:12 am
You could also have it zinc plated.... that's the closest thing to galvaninzing ... but I PM'd you about the powder coating.... Hammertone
is what I'm gonna do to the liners and shelves for my 56RT....
but they are clean originals just want that new look and it'll give them an extra protection... Hammertone holds up really tuff....
And powder coating can still scratch and chip.....
is what I'm gonna do to the liners and shelves for my 56RT....
but they are clean originals just want that new look and it'll give them an extra protection... Hammertone holds up really tuff....
And powder coating can still scratch and chip.....
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: SIGNGUY on April 26, 2007, 08:44:55 am
Hammertone it.... no sense in powder coating a part that is seldom seen only by you when you load the machine!!
Spend money on a good paint job/graphics/chrome.
Good luck!
Spend money on a good paint job/graphics/chrome.
Good luck!
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Post by: loman4ec on April 26, 2007, 09:11:33 am
I have to agree. Brian did I miss something. Did you post pics of this machine?
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Post by: sodaworks on April 26, 2007, 09:49:58 am
Brian,
I wouldn't bother powder coating the tub. Your just throwing away money as far as I am concerned. Here's what I do. High pressure wash it and scrub with SOS pads to remove any residue. lightly sandblast it and spray it with Rustoleum hammertone paint. I thin the paint out with just enough reducer to make it flow good. the paint is avail. at Lowe's
I wouldn't bother powder coating the tub. Your just throwing away money as far as I am concerned. Here's what I do. High pressure wash it and scrub with SOS pads to remove any residue. lightly sandblast it and spray it with Rustoleum hammertone paint. I thin the paint out with just enough reducer to make it flow good. the paint is avail. at Lowe's
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: Seven181 on April 26, 2007, 11:32:59 am
Thanks Everyone! I think I will go with the hammertone paint. Does anyone have pics of their machines done this way? I want to have the inside looking nice, at least. I think this would be a cheaper way to go.
Brian
Brian
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: koolergrill on April 26, 2007, 03:20:07 pm
(sodaworks @ Apr. 26 2007,10:49)
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Brian,
I wouldn't bother powder coating the tub. Your just throwing away money as far as I am concerned. Here's what I do. High pressure wash it and scrub with SOS pads to remove any residue. lightly sandblast it and spray it with Rustoleum hammertone paint. I thin the paint out with just enough reducer to make it flow good. the paint is avail. at Lowe's
I wouldn't bother powder coating the tub. Your just throwing away money as far as I am concerned. Here's what I do. High pressure wash it and scrub with SOS pads to remove any residue. lightly sandblast it and spray it with Rustoleum hammertone paint. I thin the paint out with just enough reducer to make it flow good. the paint is avail. at Lowe's
Hi Guys, With over 80 machines, i can tell you there is nothing like powder coating, No matter what paint you use with in one year the paint will rust. It is ok to paint a candy machine or a cigarette machine in sides, but in a soda machine which gets cold , the paint will rust, Any time i have a machine done by curtis he always powder coates the insides. If you dont spend the money up front, you will have to repaint or powder in a year. I have tryed every paint out there and none of them last.. If you zinc plate it will rust in two years or less. I have antique machines in my stores that run 24/7 . I can tell you from a lot of tests i have tryed, powder coating is the way to go.. jeff
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: sodaworks on April 26, 2007, 04:03:39 pm
Jeff,
Sorry but I would have to disagree with you on this one. If properly prepped and applied correctly you will not have a problem. I have machines that I sprayed hammertone on the insides over ten years ago and they still look new!!
Sorry but I would have to disagree with you on this one. If properly prepped and applied correctly you will not have a problem. I have machines that I sprayed hammertone on the insides over ten years ago and they still look new!!
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: SIGNGUY on April 26, 2007, 04:10:20 pm
I agree prep is key, i have hammertone on my first 81 that I did 10 years ago and it runs daily in the basement with cold soda and beers and it still is in like day one condition. I did both tub and shelves and they look great.
It's a matter of taste I guess, so do what you like and can afford is my advice.
It's a matter of taste I guess, so do what you like and can afford is my advice.
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: MoonDawg on April 26, 2007, 04:39:45 pm
The big difference, is powdercoating requires the liner to be
removed and sprayed and baked. Paint can be done with liner
and insulation still in place.
removed and sprayed and baked. Paint can be done with liner
and insulation still in place.
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: aspbear1 on April 26, 2007, 07:10:38 pm
I am with Jeff on this one I have two machines that run all the time one slider and one up right. Both of the insides are sprayed with hammertone and they have 3 years plus on both and they still look just like when they were sprayed.
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: aspbear1 on April 26, 2007, 07:11:30 pm
whoops I mean I am with Terry
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Post by: loman4ec on April 26, 2007, 08:24:03 pm
Brian here is a 64 with the inside hammertone painted.
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: www.memorylanerestorations.com on April 26, 2007, 08:32:54 pm
Ok guys, I'm no professional at this BUT go ahead and leave the liner in, it looks ok, WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! Have any of you ever taken out the liners in these machines. Do you know whats under there. Well lets take a look at a vendorlator 56. Looks to be in good shape???
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Post by: www.memorylanerestorations.com on April 26, 2007, 08:34:43 pm
Look close at how wet the ins. is on the last two pics of a cavalier 64
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Post by: www.memorylanerestorations.com on April 26, 2007, 08:37:47 pm
Now lets look at what a good restoration looks like with Powdercoating. This is a Vendo 56 I did 5 years ago.
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Post by: www.memorylanerestorations.com on April 26, 2007, 08:46:16 pm
Look everyone, all I'm saying is under that 50 years of metal, theres rust. Do yourself a favor and pull out the liner and do it wright. You see all these machines on E-bay , that say full restoration. If I put my machine on E-bay, you see what you get. Nothing covered up here!
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: www.memorylanerestorations.com on April 26, 2007, 08:50:23 pm
How many of you went to pick up a machine , that look lights out on E-bay, thinking it was restored, because thats what they said in the listing and got there and you took one look at the machine and said, what the hell??
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: MoonDawg on April 26, 2007, 08:56:44 pm
Want to do a perfect restoration? Do an 81, 56 or C-72
Pour a ton of restoration time and money into a square corner machine, and you had better plan on keeping it for a long time, you won't recover cost if you try and sell!
Bubba got swayed into doing a "perfect" job....and as far as I know
that machine is still waiting for welding, prep and painting.
Compare this to restoring a Chevrolet Camero vs a Chevrolet Vega. ....... Start with a potential winner.
Curtis does VERY nice work.........but "for people who pay him"
Pour a ton of restoration time and money into a square corner machine, and you had better plan on keeping it for a long time, you won't recover cost if you try and sell!
Bubba got swayed into doing a "perfect" job....and as far as I know
that machine is still waiting for welding, prep and painting.
Compare this to restoring a Chevrolet Camero vs a Chevrolet Vega. ....... Start with a potential winner.
Curtis does VERY nice work.........but "for people who pay him"
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: sodaworks on April 26, 2007, 08:58:30 pm
Curtis,
I can't speak for anyone else but I personally remove the liner out of "EVERY" machine that I restore. Your correct about removing the old insulation as well as removing and replacing the cancered out metal that is found more often than not on the bottom of the inner cabinet. I know there are some guys that may not go to this extreme but I personally do not take short cuts when it comes to restoring machines. My business is only as good as my reputation and workmanship.
I can't speak for anyone else but I personally remove the liner out of "EVERY" machine that I restore. Your correct about removing the old insulation as well as removing and replacing the cancered out metal that is found more often than not on the bottom of the inner cabinet. I know there are some guys that may not go to this extreme but I personally do not take short cuts when it comes to restoring machines. My business is only as good as my reputation and workmanship.
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: MoonDawg on April 26, 2007, 09:02:15 pm
(www.memorylanerestorations.com @ Apr. 26 2007,6:46)
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If I put my machine on E-bay, you see what you get. Nothing covered up here!
Wonderful restoration Curtis......I am curious how much this machine would really sell for on E-bay?
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: www.memorylanerestorations.com on April 26, 2007, 09:04:22 pm
You are wright and your work looks great, here is a WC-42T Coke machine I'm doing and at first glance, looks like the liner and everything under it would be nice??? like you said, most times , there not, as in this case.
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Post by: MoonDawg on April 26, 2007, 09:09:43 pm
Terry is shown welding "round corner" machines..they sell for 10 times what a restored square corner machine will bring
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Post by: www.memorylanerestorations.com on April 26, 2007, 09:10:17 pm
As for Moondawgs question, not a lot. Iam very lucky, that I can do what I do for a full time living. I have very high end customers that keep me making a nice living, doing what we all love to do. Find these machines and make our wives mad all the time!! Only kidding, But I'm glade to be doing what I do and I love helping all of you that call me for advice. Thats what this is all about. Helping everyone out.
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: loman4ec on April 26, 2007, 09:10:21 pm
I remove the line on all of my machines as well, but I still prefer hammertone. The powder coating looks good in the pics but it has never been used. I have seen a few machines that have been powdercoated and have been used and the inside doesn't looks as nice anymore. I think the hammertone holds up great. and like Glen said for a square top who wants to put that much money into a square top. That is a nice looking machine Curtis.
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Post by: www.memorylanerestorations.com on April 26, 2007, 09:16:29 pm
Ok guys, I also do the hard machines, Powder Coating on an 81
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Post by: sodaworks on April 26, 2007, 09:21:38 pm
Curtis,
Without a doubt your work is great and I think it's awesome that you can make a living doing it. I have thought numerous times about quitting my day job and going full time into the restoration business. My Resto shop and all my equip. is totally paid for. The reasons for not doing this full time is my employer pays me very well to sit on my butt and push buttons all day. the insurance, benefits and 401K are also hard to beat, but the main reason is I do this on my off time is because I simply enjoy doing it and don't have to. if I had to do it to pay the bills it probably wouldn't be as fun.
Without a doubt your work is great and I think it's awesome that you can make a living doing it. I have thought numerous times about quitting my day job and going full time into the restoration business. My Resto shop and all my equip. is totally paid for. The reasons for not doing this full time is my employer pays me very well to sit on my butt and push buttons all day. the insurance, benefits and 401K are also hard to beat, but the main reason is I do this on my off time is because I simply enjoy doing it and don't have to. if I had to do it to pay the bills it probably wouldn't be as fun.
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Post by: www.memorylanerestorations.com on April 26, 2007, 09:30:01 pm
You are wright, I'm lucky my wife has good Insurance, for years, I had her stay home with our son. That was hard. She don't wake alot but the Insurance is very good. She works for the County.
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Post by: sodaworks on April 26, 2007, 09:32:13 pm
(MoonDawg @ Apr. 26 2007,7:09)
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Terry is shown welding "round corner" machines..
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Post by: www.memorylanerestorations.com on April 26, 2007, 09:33:21 pm
Everyone, thinks I only work on the Easy stuff, now I'm to the point, where I can pick and chose my work but there was a time of day?? Look at this three door Victor I did, who does this, very few.
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Now thats some Powder Coating!
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Post by: www.memorylanerestorations.com on April 26, 2007, 09:37:09 pm
Very nice Welds, do you do that yourself.
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Post by: sodaworks on April 26, 2007, 10:02:09 pm
Yes,
I do everything in house except the chrome. The welding photo was work in progress, it was completley welded out. I too have a Victor thre door that I will be restoring at a later date. I know this isn't going to be easy.
I do everything in house except the chrome. The welding photo was work in progress, it was completley welded out. I too have a Victor thre door that I will be restoring at a later date. I know this isn't going to be easy.
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: MoonDawg on April 26, 2007, 10:06:58 pm
Curtis / Terry Keep the pictures comming 
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Post by: sodaworks on April 26, 2007, 10:08:31 pm
How about them Dodgers... Huh!!!
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: Eric on April 26, 2007, 10:48:07 pm
Now Hammertone paint has a resin in it.. it's not like most silver
paints... I had my 39 tub powder coated cost $75 had to blast the galvanize
off it and it had to be ran through the oven before he powder coated it..something to do with what is in the galvanizing.... It turned out nice but
he said if I ever wanted to take it off paint stripper would take it off... It's
a tough finish but it does scratch... I've also had part zinced and had them coated with a yellowish finish said it would hold under a salt water spray test of 72 hours constant (what ever that meant) without damaging it.
This shop plates the highway guards...
I personally will take the tub out clean it and use the Hamertone
on my 56 the liner/tub is in great shape... and I don't want to remove or
weaken the old galvanize protective finish... the Hamertone is more like a protective coating... someone did a 6 month test on some shelves and they
looked day 1 after the six months the other shelves they painted
with a silver paint... not so good...
paints... I had my 39 tub powder coated cost $75 had to blast the galvanize
off it and it had to be ran through the oven before he powder coated it..something to do with what is in the galvanizing.... It turned out nice but
he said if I ever wanted to take it off paint stripper would take it off... It's
a tough finish but it does scratch... I've also had part zinced and had them coated with a yellowish finish said it would hold under a salt water spray test of 72 hours constant (what ever that meant) without damaging it.
This shop plates the highway guards...
I personally will take the tub out clean it and use the Hamertone
on my 56 the liner/tub is in great shape... and I don't want to remove or
weaken the old galvanize protective finish... the Hamertone is more like a protective coating... someone did a 6 month test on some shelves and they
looked day 1 after the six months the other shelves they painted
with a silver paint... not so good...
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Post by: www.memorylanerestorations.com on April 27, 2007, 06:18:40 am
WD-12 Restoration, take down all the way.
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Post by: SIGNGUY on April 27, 2007, 10:53:23 am
<font color='#000000'>I think what it comes down to is what you personally prefer and can afford! I remove all my tubs as well
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Post by: www.memorylanerestorations.com on April 27, 2007, 12:48:36 pm
I'll tell you, if I did not have customers, paying good money for these machines, I couldn't do the powder coating. It's all good!
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: cormy on April 27, 2007, 03:37:05 pm
I think it may come down to which finish looks most original in the machine from the factory. Hammertone or powdercoat, which looks more like the galvanized metal these originally came with?
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: MoonDawg on April 27, 2007, 09:04:16 pm
Quote from: cormy
I think it may come down to which finish looks most original in the machine from the factory.
Cormy ....hammertone or powdercoat?....at a cost of $50.00 or $500.00 including all labor. Is this your machine or your customers? Who pays the extra? You or the customer?
We are comparing cost to benifit! We all want the finest finish at the lowest cost !
Cormy ....hammertone or powdercoat?....at a cost of $50.00 or $500.00 including all labor. Is this your machine or your customers? Who pays the extra? You or the customer?
We are comparing cost to benifit! We all want the finest finish at the lowest cost !
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: sodaworks on April 27, 2007, 10:31:49 pm
I'm staying with the Hammertone, it's held up for at least ten years on the machines that I have done. The key is in the prep work! If any of my customer's ever develop a problem I'll make it right!
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: Chris on April 28, 2007, 08:54:40 am
Hey guys, just wanted to say it looks like you all do very good work on these machines. I'm just starting my first resto on an 81 square corner, and I'm sure I found one of the best sources for info on doing it right, I'm sure I will be asking lots of questions. Such as where do you find all these machines, I'm in Canada and I know there are alot of machine to be had here its just where are they.
Chris
Chris
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Post by: sodaworks on April 28, 2007, 09:18:06 am
Chris,
You'll find that we will do evrything possible to help each other out here on SMC. You'd be hardpressed to find a better site on the net.
You'll find that we will do evrything possible to help each other out here on SMC. You'd be hardpressed to find a better site on the net.
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Post by: sodaworks on April 28, 2007, 09:19:17 am
Just make sure that you spray the innards using hammertone.............
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Post by: SIGNGUY on April 28, 2007, 10:17:21 pm
(Chris @ Apr. 28 2007,9:54)
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I'm sure I will be asking lots of questions. Such as where do you find all these machines, I'm in Canada and I know there are alot of machine to be had here its just where are they.
Once you post more than 50 posts on the site, we give you the name of a website that you simply type in what type of machine your looking for and price you want to pay and it spits out 10-20 locations for machines right in your neighborhood!, Pretty cool!!!
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Post by: Seven181 on April 28, 2007, 10:48:31 pm
That would be truly cool if you could locate what you wanted and name your price!! 
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Post by: MoonDawg on April 29, 2007, 12:58:46 am
(SIGNGUY @ Apr. 28 2007,8:17)
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Once you post more than 50 posts on the site, we give you the name of a website that you simply type in what type of machine your looking for and price you want to pay and it spits out 10-20 locations for machines right in your neighborhood!, Pretty cool!!!
Hmmmmmm I didn't know this! Have I missed something?
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Post by: aspbear1 on April 29, 2007, 07:58:35 am
OK, he is covered for next April 1st.
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Post by: Bob K on April 29, 2007, 08:35:25 am
(sodaworks @ Apr. 28 2007,10:18)
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Chris,
You'll find that we will do evrything possible to help each other out here on SMC. You'd be hardpressed to find a better site on the net.
You'll find that we will do evrything possible to help each other out here on SMC. You'd be hardpressed to find a better site on the net.
You speak the truth...
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Post by: Alecigio on April 30, 2007, 09:29:41 pm
Hello, I haven't posted in some times. I am completely restoring a vendo 39 and I am curently looking to doing the inside liner. Is there any way to have it re-galvanized? Can a part be galvanized or must I use galvanized steel and fold it to form a new liner? If anyone have any information about it I would be really happy.
And by the way, the price is not a problem. I really don't wan't to have it powder coated or painted as I think it doesn't look good. But that is just my opinion.
And by the way, the price is not a problem. I really don't wan't to have it powder coated or painted as I think it doesn't look good. But that is just my opinion.
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Post by: Eric on May 01, 2007, 10:27:30 am
Galvanizing is a hot process ( I looked into it) it would warp the crap out of it... zinc plating is the closest thing to galvaizing..... then you would have to have that coated.....
Title: Powder Coating Question???
Post by: Alecigio on May 04, 2007, 09:19:36 pm
Thank you very much Eric, I didn't know it was a hot process. For zinc plating, no coating is necessary. A lot of cars parts are zinc plated and they stay good looking for a long time.