Title: W-44
Post by: cvb141 on April 23, 2007, 08:54:02 pm
I picked up a W-44 today to repair for a local guy. It was shoved in the back of his dad's barbershop when he was a kid. Now he runs the place with his mom and wants to get it back to running. I thought I would post some pics. That way everybody will know what machine I'm talking about, when I have questions about it.
Jerry
Jerry
Title: W-44
Post by: Seven181 on April 23, 2007, 09:27:32 pm
Neat machine!
Title: W-44
Post by: johnieG on April 23, 2007, 10:46:13 pm
It seem to be in nice shape! it's also known a "poor-mans" 44 ( as opposed to a VMC/Vendo 44)
Title: W-44
Post by: cvb141 on April 23, 2007, 10:54:09 pm
I was going to ask about the t-stat earlier because I had never seen one like it before. But now I need to ask because it doesn't seem to be working. Is it also a relay in the same box used to start the comp.? Can somebody shed some light on this strange creature. By the way, everthing else seemed to work fine, including the original compressor and fan motors. The National Rejectors coin mec was set for 10 cent and worked as well.
Thanks, Jerry
Thanks, Jerry
Title: W-44
Post by: 90grad on April 24, 2007, 07:02:10 pm
Hi Jerry,
Is there a wiring diagram anywhere on/in the machine? The stat wires may be hooked into a junction box with the start/common/run wires for the compressor. If so, you may wanna install a new stat and a 3 'N 1 relay.
Could you post a photo of the compressor wiring?
Is there a wiring diagram anywhere on/in the machine? The stat wires may be hooked into a junction box with the start/common/run wires for the compressor. If so, you may wanna install a new stat and a 3 'N 1 relay.
Could you post a photo of the compressor wiring?
Title: W-44
Post by: collecture on April 24, 2007, 08:18:56 pm
I have never actually looked at my WC-44, but Westinghouse did everything "in-house".
My Vendo Junior has an unusual T-Stat and my WD5's each have a different box type T-stats.
According to my WC-44SK manual, you could order the whole control assembly
or
the relay and contact assembly could be ordered seperately.
For my WD5's, Steve Ebner at Fun-Tronics had NOS T-stats for them.
If you can get me the model refrigeration unit number off the ID plate (on the compressor deck),
I can get you the T-stat part number.
My Vendo Junior has an unusual T-Stat and my WD5's each have a different box type T-stats.
According to my WC-44SK manual, you could order the whole control assembly
or
the relay and contact assembly could be ordered seperately.
For my WD5's, Steve Ebner at Fun-Tronics had NOS T-stats for them.
If you can get me the model refrigeration unit number off the ID plate (on the compressor deck),
I can get you the T-stat part number.
Title: W-44
Post by: cvb141 on April 24, 2007, 08:41:59 pm
I noticed on my Westinghouse Master, it uses a similar relay/t-stat set-up. It could be opened up and looked at, but the w-44 I haven't figured out how to open it. Thought about the 3-n-1, but also thought about could I by-pass just the t-stat and wire in a new one. Or maybe just wire in some universal relay and a new t-stat. Yes there is a diagram, but it is covered in Coke & dirt & is hard to make out, or sense. The numbers on the compressor deck are list as, P/N # Y-37091, M/N # W-44, S/N # 18611520.
Title: W-44
Post by: MoonDawg on April 24, 2007, 08:59:09 pm
(90grad @ Apr. 24 2007,5:02)
QUOTE
you may wanna install a new stat and a 3 'N 1 relay.
I agree !
Title: W-44
Post by: collecture on April 24, 2007, 11:25:00 pm
Glen and Wayne are probably right; however,
if the guy would like to keep it as original as possible...
Check with Steve Ebner at Fun-Tronics and ask if he has a NOS Temperature Control for the WC-44SK.
The part number is Y-7369 - comes complete less cable.
He garrantees them to work, but doesn't know how long they will work.
if the guy would like to keep it as original as possible...
Check with Steve Ebner at Fun-Tronics and ask if he has a NOS Temperature Control for the WC-44SK.
The part number is Y-7369 - comes complete less cable.
He garrantees them to work, but doesn't know how long they will work.
Title: W-44
Post by: 90grad on April 25, 2007, 04:52:52 am
I think I have the same compressor in my Westinghouse Master. When I redid it, all the wiring (including the stat) went to one relay box. I just bought a new stat and 3 'N 1. Hooking it up was a breeze and it works great. 
Title: W-44
Post by: sodamuseum.com on April 25, 2007, 01:26:47 pm
Jerry,
I may have a manual for it, if you would like one. I have one for the WC-44SK, which I think is the same, and would be happy to make a copy and get it out to you, as long as it isnt too big!
I will double check when I get back in town on Friday.
www.SodaMachineManuals.com
Let me know if you think it may help.
Tom
I may have a manual for it, if you would like one. I have one for the WC-44SK, which I think is the same, and would be happy to make a copy and get it out to you, as long as it isnt too big!
I will double check when I get back in town on Friday.
www.SodaMachineManuals.com
Let me know if you think it may help.
Tom
Title: W-44
Post by: cvb141 on April 26, 2007, 08:08:11 am
I did get the t-stat apart last night and worked it by hand a few times and tried it again. I also replaced all the wiring with cracked insulation. It worked after that, and was shutting off at 34.6 and coming on at 43. I am going to leave it as is for now, since it worked all night last night. I will install a 3-n-1 and a new t-stat on it, if it fails in the future. Thanks for everybodys help.
Jerry
Jerry
Title: W-44
Post by: cvb141 on April 26, 2007, 11:31:30 pm
Hey Tom,
I'll see if the owner wants to buy a manual. Do you or anyone else here sell a lock for this machine? He could use one. I didn't have any Coke bottles so I throwed a case of 12oz cans in this 44 while letting it run. Wife wanted to know if it used cans too, so I tried it and it worked. Does anyone else vend cans from these models? Is it as simple as that? It seems to vend much like the Dixie Narco I have.
Jerry
I'll see if the owner wants to buy a manual. Do you or anyone else here sell a lock for this machine? He could use one. I didn't have any Coke bottles so I throwed a case of 12oz cans in this 44 while letting it run. Wife wanted to know if it used cans too, so I tried it and it worked. Does anyone else vend cans from these models? Is it as simple as that? It seems to vend much like the Dixie Narco I have.
Jerry
Title: W-44
Post by: collecture on April 26, 2007, 11:41:05 pm
I am pretty sure Fun-Tronics carries a lock.
Title: W-44
Post by: cvb141 on May 01, 2007, 09:11:32 pm
I got the machine back to it's owner yesterday in good running condition. He was having it fixed for his father, which he was very happy. I think he is also going to order a lock and manual from Funtronics. He also wasn't wanting to pay much to have it fixed. So I didn't charge him much and he gave me these two as a kicker. The one on the left is missing shelves and other stuff, but the right one is mostly all there. I know nobody likes these, but I wouldn't mind fixing the one on the right if I can get out cheap. Just maybe, somebody could get some bit of joy out of using it. It seems to be missing the coin mech though. Does anyone need any parts from the one on the left, that might have a coin mech to trade? Does anyone even have a pic of a coin mech for one of these?
Jerry
Jerry
Title: W-44
Post by: collecture on May 01, 2007, 09:19:14 pm
I am not interested in any parts Jerry,
but I will say I have never seen a main door on a Decorator 56 like the one on the right.
Very Unique!
but I will say I have never seen a main door on a Decorator 56 like the one on the right.
Very Unique!
Title: W-44
Post by: cvb141 on May 01, 2007, 09:23:37 pm
Tom,
Are you saying that you have a coin mech for sale though?
Jerry
Are you saying that you have a coin mech for sale though?
Jerry
Title: W-44
Post by: loman4ec on May 01, 2007, 10:52:28 pm
This is what it should look like with the coin mech
Title: W-44
Post by: collecture on May 01, 2007, 10:59:50 pm
Sorry Jerry,
I do not have a mech for that machine.
I do not have a mech for that machine.
Title: W-44
Post by: johnieG on May 02, 2007, 01:44:17 pm
I just saw a decorator series bottle gate/coinmech on Ebay the other day! might still be there...
Title: W-44
Post by: cvb141 on May 03, 2007, 11:59:21 pm
Thanks guys, I've been checking e-bay and haven't found one yet. I maybe overlooking one or not typing it in as it is listed. I'll keep checking.
Jerry
Jerry