Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 07, 2007, 08:26:26 pm
Hey everyone,
Hope someone can help me...At work we have an 1985 Fuji Electrics Coke branded machine, and now the coin mech has stopped working..it is a mars electric and thats all it says, it is an 8 pin( with only 7 connected). I am getting some photos ASAP. Now as I am in australia and the OEM repairs won't touch these I need to know if it is easyier just to buy a new coin mech and if so what sort and from where, don't mind getting it imported, will get the photos uploaded tommorrow.
Thanks Vossy
Hope someone can help me...At work we have an 1985 Fuji Electrics Coke branded machine, and now the coin mech has stopped working..it is a mars electric and thats all it says, it is an 8 pin( with only 7 connected). I am getting some photos ASAP. Now as I am in australia and the OEM repairs won't touch these I need to know if it is easyier just to buy a new coin mech and if so what sort and from where, don't mind getting it imported, will get the photos uploaded tommorrow.
Thanks Vossy
Title: Help identify
Post by: collecture on February 07, 2007, 11:42:50 pm
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...it is an 8 pin( with only 7 connected).
Never seen one with a plug like that - sure you don't mean 9 pin (with 8 connected).
If the mech is bad and if it is a common mech,
then I would say it is cheaper to simply replace it.
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 08, 2007, 03:54:51 pm
No it definatley is 8 flat pins and one round line up hole pulled the cover of the pin cable and only seven have wires connected to them... hopefully upload some photos today.....
Title: Help identify
Post by: collecture on February 08, 2007, 05:23:37 pm
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No it definatley is 8 flat pins and one round line up hole pulled the cover of the pin cable and only seven have wires connected to them
That is what I was referring to as a 9 pin (aka Jones plug).
Not sure how the wiring might differ, but you can get a Coinco S75-9800 for about $20-$30 off eBay and it works in most all vending machine models that use an electric coin changer. It is a 115-117 volt changer.
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 09, 2007, 05:03:09 pm
Excellent thanks for your advice collecture, but a few quick qestions, on the jones plug which is your main power supply pin as I have to check to make ours is 115V (stand is OZ is 240V) and will it or can it be programed to accept OZ coins.....
Title: Help identify
Post by: collecture on February 09, 2007, 08:50:35 pm
Electrical is not my strongest suit.
I don't own many electric mech machines.
johnnieg is the one to ask on this I believe.
Somebody else may be able to give you some insight also.
I don't own many electric mech machines.
johnnieg is the one to ask on this I believe.
Somebody else may be able to give you some insight also.
Title: Help identify
Post by: loman4ec on February 09, 2007, 09:36:31 pm
Your machine is most likely uses a 24 volt coin mech. Most new machines and machines not made in the US use them. They are plentafull on ebay and are usually cheeper then the 117 volt mechs.
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 13, 2007, 11:32:10 pm
Have attached some photos, The problem we haveis it isn't registering one a coin is put thought.
One photo is of the front,
One of the coin mech
And one of the control Circuit which has had coke or somethnig like that sprayed up in there..
(Inside this it says that it once used a Fuji AFF4422DS-8J Coin mech, the one there now is a Mars Electric.)
Am Currently clean it up to remove all sticky black subtance and will try it again but I really think it is the Coin mech. It is 115-120V so might be easyier to get one of ebay sent across from USA??
Any help would be great....
One photo is of the front,
One of the coin mech
And one of the control Circuit which has had coke or somethnig like that sprayed up in there..
(Inside this it says that it once used a Fuji AFF4422DS-8J Coin mech, the one there now is a Mars Electric.)Am Currently clean it up to remove all sticky black subtance and will try it again but I really think it is the Coin mech. It is 115-120V so might be easyier to get one of ebay sent across from USA??
Any help would be great....
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 14, 2007, 03:57:20 pm
Here is the pics
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 14, 2007, 04:02:14 pm
one more
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 14, 2007, 04:05:54 pm
last one 
Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on February 14, 2007, 09:34:38 pm
Vossy, I presume you are using a transformer then to convert 240v down to 120v ? You import this machine yourself ?
Btw, what part of OZ you from ? I'm originally from Tassie myself.. (currently in Canada)
Btw, what part of OZ you from ? I'm originally from Tassie myself.. (currently in Canada)
Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on February 14, 2007, 09:42:13 pm
Re programming the mech for ozzie coins, I know the newer CoinCo mechs can be re-programmed for new coins and metal tokens, so I would imagine the Mars ones can be too. You're probably looking at 10x what the mech is worth to change it over though.. (shipping to/from Mars Electronics and whatever fee they charge for re-programming)
Something I have often wondered is how the mechs work with the Australian 50c coin, as it's hexagonal (ie. shaped like a stop sign) not round.
Something I have often wondered is how the mechs work with the Australian 50c coin, as it's hexagonal (ie. shaped like a stop sign) not round.
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 14, 2007, 10:21:48 pm
mistake
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 14, 2007, 10:26:21 pm
Hey Guys,
Skeleton Man unsure where this machine is from but I think my work moved it over from Melbourne to perth where we are now. I know the control card all the Fuji electric HH53P relays are all 100 VAC which I think is the real problem after looking at them all. So if you where I can get these from it would be a great help have rang a few people around Oz and the can't be bother I know there is a few places in USA that sell them but they don't want to reply to my emails at the moment.
I think if we can fixes these parts first, then test again and if so just get a new coin mech, but as I said earlier having a real problem getting these relay,
Skeleton Man unsure where this machine is from but I think my work moved it over from Melbourne to perth where we are now. I know the control card all the Fuji electric HH53P relays are all 100 VAC which I think is the real problem after looking at them all. So if you where I can get these from it would be a great help have rang a few people around Oz and the can't be bother I know there is a few places in USA that sell them but they don't want to reply to my emails at the moment.
I think if we can fixes these parts first, then test again and if so just get a new coin mech, but as I said earlier having a real problem getting these relay,
Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on February 14, 2007, 11:07:27 pm
Do you have a bigger picture of the relays and maybe some diagrams, etc ? I replaced a relay in my machine for like $8 from ebay.. (speciality electrical stores wanted $25 each for them)
Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on February 14, 2007, 11:21:07 pm
Looking at the data sheet, the HH53 is a 3 Pole, Double-Throw relay, so there's a good chance you could find a replacement from any manufacturer (provided it physically fits).
I'll see what I can find anyway.. gotta be an ozzie store somewhere that has them.. maybe JayCar sells them.. (some electronics stores will special order from JayCar)
I'll see what I can find anyway.. gotta be an ozzie store somewhere that has them.. maybe JayCar sells them.. (some electronics stores will special order from JayCar)
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 15, 2007, 12:52:22 am
Can't put a bigger picture on the web site I can email you one if you want...I think I found a supplier in Adelaide but their PC down and will call back tommorrow with an answer. And the HH53 is a 3 Pole, Double-Throw relay, but it has flat spade pins not round ones. Thanks again for your help hopefully one of us will have luck.
Title: Help identify
Post by: loman4ec on February 15, 2007, 02:24:02 am
Is this machine for home use or are you going to put it out to make money? TThe reason I ask is if it is for home use why don't you just rig it for free vend and save some money.
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 15, 2007, 06:45:32 am
Not it is used for our social fund so we need to be able to make money of it.
Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on February 15, 2007, 02:03:04 pm
Flat spades are pretty common, the two most common layouts I have seen are below.. let me know if either of those are correct..
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 15, 2007, 04:43:41 pm
Yes mate it is the one on the left except there is a ting bit bigger gap between the top nine and the bottom two but layout is correct. Did get a quote for a online company in the US for $21.90 US easch plus postage, a little high I think but when I get call for Oz distrubutor maybe that is right.
Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on February 15, 2007, 07:40:12 pm
USD$22 each + postage ? That's highway robbery in my opinion (though sadly I don't doubt that's their price). These are miniature relays right ? The spec sheet says they're like 3cm long by 2cm wide..
Still trying to find an alternative or somewhere cheaper..
Still trying to find an alternative or somewhere cheaper..
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 18, 2007, 08:24:01 pm
found a supplier here in OZ 15.90 each but eight week lead time on AC type( forgot to mention that there is an ac type and a dc type 
) but has DC in stock and they are in bound will let you know on my process and thanks everyone for your help so far 
) but has DC in stock and they are in bound will let you know on my process and thanks everyone for your help so far Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on February 19, 2007, 03:18:43 am
$15.90 AUD ? That's a little more reasonable.. which supplier did you find them through ?
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 19, 2007, 04:42:28 pm
It was some elctircal supplier list on Fuji Electrics webpage located in adelade, hopefully they will be here tommorrow then I can test and see if it is the coin mech that needs replacing if so work out what one to put in and where to locate it.
Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on February 19, 2007, 05:07:29 pm
Good luck with it mate.. coin mechs are a dime a dozen, assuming it's 110V and uses a Jones plug.. (8 flat pins and a round guide pin in the middle)
Might be a costly exercise to reprogram one for ozzie dollars though.. (I've never seen an older ozzie $$ mech.. only new serial/digital ones)
Might be a costly exercise to reprogram one for ozzie dollars though.. (I've never seen an older ozzie $$ mech.. only new serial/digital ones)
Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on February 20, 2007, 06:54:30 pm
Just a FYI.. I emailed Coinco about a 110V single price mech for Australian currency and they pointed me towards the ALD-F707 mech.
Here's a link to their site: Coinco ALD-F707
Chris
Here's a link to their site: Coinco ALD-F707
Chris
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 20, 2007, 07:53:31 pm
Hey Chris,
Thanks heaps the parts arrived today will reassemble system soon and put back to together and fingers crossed it all works or I will contact coinco and get a new one.
Cheers and Beers
Vossy
Thanks heaps the parts arrived today will reassemble system soon and put back to together and fingers crossed it all works or I will contact coinco and get a new one.
Cheers and Beers
Vossy
Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on February 22, 2007, 02:30:13 am
Hey Vossy,
You're more than welcome.. good luck, I hope it all goes smoothly !!
Cheers and beers sounds good.. (especially the latter)
Chris
You're more than welcome.. good luck, I hope it all goes smoothly !!
Cheers and beers sounds good.. (especially the latter)
Chris
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 22, 2007, 05:58:05 pm
Well, It didn't fix it so I have taken the coin mech and controller to a local mars repairer and they may not be able to fix but at least they can recommend a new cashflow mech that will work and it will keep my bosses happy. As it is friday here definately beers this arvo...... 
Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on February 23, 2007, 05:55:18 pm
Have you tried rigging up a free play switch to test without the coin mech ? See this thread: Free Play Switch
Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on February 23, 2007, 05:58:23 pm
Btw, what do you guys drink over there ? Back in Tassie it was Boags or Fosters.. up here it's Moose Head or Budwieser
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 25, 2007, 07:11:09 pm
The unit has an inbuilt free play switch so it works but I think it is configured differently... The unit is still with reapir so I can't test it no. As for beer doesn't really matter we are not fussy but as I brew my own quit enjoy a canadian blonde at the moment....
Title: Help identify
Post by: bubba on February 25, 2007, 08:41:32 pm
(Vossy @ Feb. 25 2007,7:11)
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As for beer doesn't really matter we are not fussy but as I brew my own quit enjoy a canadian blonde at the moment....
Hmmmmm... I might enjoy a Canadian Blonde.. mid 20's, long blonde hair...
I know a few others from the other side of the world that brew their own as well... must be a thing down under?
Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on February 25, 2007, 10:34:36 pm
Yes.. a lot of us ozzies brew our own.. I don't mind homebrew either
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 26, 2007, 03:37:39 am
Well just got the word from the tech, our coin mech is dead and they stopped making parts about 15 years ago for it so i will put it back together and test all conections then put one in I have from home and hopefully it doen't ruin it then buy one somewhere off ebay.. I read eailer on that a coinco S75-9800 is the way to go? but my worry is the extra control circuitry with this unit as so weather it will work but only one way to find out...will get you guys know and thanks for the help so far.....
and they stopped making parts about 15 years ago for it so i will put it back together and test all conections then put one in I have from home and hopefully it doen't ruin it then buy one somewhere off ebay.. I read eailer on that a coinco S75-9800 is the way to go? but my worry is the extra control circuitry with this unit as so weather it will work but only one way to find out...will get you guys know and thanks for the help so far.....Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on February 26, 2007, 11:50:57 pm
If you plan to keep a bucket of USA coins above your machine, then sure the S75-9800 will work.
The S75-9800 is probably the most common mech in older machines, but doesn't work with australian currency and cannot be reprogrammed.
I don't know what the extra circuitry is for, but any 110V mech with a jones connector should work just fine (so your spare mech from home should work).
CoinCo made the old Global 2 (ALD-F707) mech like I mentioned before, but you'd have to find it second hand as they are no longer produced.
However, there is the newer Quantum mech (ALQ-F707) which is probably still available and should work for you. I don't know what if anything is available from Mars, as their site/product list is a little less intuitive.
Chris
The S75-9800 is probably the most common mech in older machines, but doesn't work with australian currency and cannot be reprogrammed.
I don't know what the extra circuitry is for, but any 110V mech with a jones connector should work just fine (so your spare mech from home should work).
CoinCo made the old Global 2 (ALD-F707) mech like I mentioned before, but you'd have to find it second hand as they are no longer produced.
However, there is the newer Quantum mech (ALQ-F707) which is probably still available and should work for you. I don't know what if anything is available from Mars, as their site/product list is a little less intuitive.
Chris
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 27, 2007, 10:11:36 pm
doh, doh doh...... bugger well i will have cancel my bid on ebay now rang coinco Aust and they said $690.00 for a Oz model.... Mars can do one for $550 bosses don't want to pay that much.. maybe I'll score a new machine for be by the sounds of it... will have to see.
Title: Help identify
Post by: on February 28, 2007, 09:24:00 pm
Well have found out it is a mars 1502 coin mech, ( don't suppose any of you soda guys have one in your shed/garage?) found to over here in Oz and they are in machines already so they won't sell us one...bummer 
Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on March 02, 2007, 12:03:27 am
Most of us just keep the cheapies like the S75-9800 mechs.. $700 is a little much for a coin mech.. considering a new machine would be half that..
Will let you know if I can find a cheaper mech..
Will let you know if I can find a cheaper mech..
Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on March 02, 2007, 12:07:16 am
I have come to the conclusion that the MEI website is completely useless.. all it has is sales info for their current product line.. no older products or archives or anything.. (Coinco keeps info on their site for mechs that were obselete more than a decade ago !!)
Title: Help identify
Post by: on March 06, 2007, 05:01:31 pm
Yes I also found the MEI website crap... found a company in sydney after about 10 phone calls who finally know what I was talking about and thinks he can fix it so I send it over to him last week so hopefully will here something soon and be happy vending again.
Cheers and Beers
Cheers and Beers
Title: Help identify
Post by: Skeleton Man on March 06, 2007, 07:47:06 pm
Awesome.. hope it all goes well
Title: Help identify
Post by: on March 18, 2007, 06:40:34 pm
Well it has been repaired at a cost of $200 it was the transformer and validtor so it is on its way back here and hopefully it will all work. Cheers averyone for the help