Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: Bob K on July 13, 2006, 11:32:00 am
Boy, I'm sure that topic heading confused everyone...
I'm painting an Acton cooler and for the embossed lettering I am going to paint the cooler white, then red over that, then sand through the red on the embossed lettering to expose the white... whew!
I know we've talked about this before, but I need to know which grits of sandpaper are advisable to get this done.
Anyone here done this? Any advice is appreciated!!
Bob
I'm painting an Acton cooler and for the embossed lettering I am going to paint the cooler white, then red over that, then sand through the red on the embossed lettering to expose the white... whew!
I know we've talked about this before, but I need to know which grits of sandpaper are advisable to get this done.
Anyone here done this? Any advice is appreciated!!
Bob
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: MoonDawg on July 13, 2006, 12:48:21 pm
If you use 2 stage paint you don't need sandpaper. Just spray the red, expose the white letters with solvent then spray the whole cooler with clear coat.
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: Bob K on July 13, 2006, 02:53:28 pm
I'm spray-bombing this one - so I guess the solvent approach wouldn't work?? 
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: davethebirdman on July 14, 2006, 02:08:06 am
Excuse my ignorance but what is Spray Bombing??
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: bubba on July 14, 2006, 05:53:45 am
| Quote (davethebirdman @ July 14 2006,3:08) |
| Excuse my ignorance but what is Spray Bombing?? |
Spray bombing--- is the art of taking the spray can and sitting it next to the object you wish to paint. Then you wrap the can with a few sheets of paper towel and light it on fire.... Get back away atleast 100 feet and shoot the can with a BB gun until it explodes, painting the entire area... It does get difficult to do more than one color.
Well, maybe not, but it sure makes one heck of a fireball.
Spray bombing is a funny phrase for spray painting...
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: Bob K on July 14, 2006, 06:53:45 am
Yep, it's just another term for using a can of spray paint. Rustoleum Regal Red, in my case.
Although Bubba's method sounds like a lot more fun!!
So nobody's used the "sand-thru" method with any success?
Bob
Although Bubba's method sounds like a lot more fun!!
So nobody's used the "sand-thru" method with any success?
Bob
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: cormy on July 14, 2006, 08:40:47 am
I've read about this method to exposed the lettering underneath, sounds almost impossible to do without sanding too much in some areas and having it look good. The solvent method sounds a bit more realistic but I think you need a steady hand and lots of practice. I've always taken my "good stuff" to a sign painter for painting letters and such, on my "not so good stuff " I attempt.. with mediocre results. Experience is the key here.
If you do decide to do the sand method let us know how it came out.
If you do decide to do the sand method let us know how it came out.
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: sodaworks on July 14, 2006, 11:05:31 am
I've seen Glen's work on this process and he does an awesome job. If your going to use a spray bomb I would try 1500 grit wet to start with.
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: BryanH on July 14, 2006, 11:22:52 pm
| Quote (MoonDawg @ July 13 2006,11:48) |
| If you use 2 stage paint you don't need sandpaper. Just spray the red, expose the white letters with solvent then spray the whole cooler with clear coat. |
Glen - how do you keep the solvent from going through to the white layer?
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: MoonDawg on July 15, 2006, 10:23:44 am
| Quote (BryanH @ July 14 2006,9:22) |
| how do you keep the solvent from going through to the white layer? |
A: If the white paint has had hardener mixed in or sprayed over it, and has had enough time to cure, solvent won't hurt it at all.
B: If the white is soft spraycan paint.........it won't stand a chance against solvent OR sandpaper.
C: To the group....... has the spraycan become an acceptable form of restoration here at SMC ?
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: Jim on July 15, 2006, 11:45:21 am
I'm still in favor of finding a GOOD sign letter painter do the job! But that's me...
I noticed the recent increase in "spray bomb" painting questions too!
I noticed the recent increase in "spray bomb" painting questions too!
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: Bob K on July 15, 2006, 01:22:08 pm
Relax, guys! This is a beat up Acton cooler that I am going to keep in the back of my Honda Element for storage (tools, jumper cables, etc.). I don't want to spend the money on hand lettering this thing for what I'm using it for.
Of course spray cans are not acceptable in the restoration process! Give me some credit, eh?
Bob
Of course spray cans are not acceptable in the restoration process! Give me some credit, eh?
Bob
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: BryanH on July 15, 2006, 10:36:58 pm
Glen - I'm a rookie painter so bear with me... I've only used single stage paints and they always needed a hardner mixed.
So your process is to put down the undercoat color with a single stage paint with hardner (is this standard?). Then put the cover coat color on top. Does this coat have hardner in it also? Then you put solvent on the letters to expose the undercoat color. How do you apply the solvent (brush, rag, ??)? What solvent: mineral spirits, turpentine or something stronger? Assume this is a multiple step process? then when it's all done you clear coat the entire machine.
So your process is to put down the undercoat color with a single stage paint with hardner (is this standard?). Then put the cover coat color on top. Does this coat have hardner in it also? Then you put solvent on the letters to expose the undercoat color. How do you apply the solvent (brush, rag, ??)? What solvent: mineral spirits, turpentine or something stronger? Assume this is a multiple step process? then when it's all done you clear coat the entire machine.
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: MoonDawg on July 16, 2006, 12:38:14 pm
Single stage paint is simply paint mixed with hardner, sprayed on and left to dry. This process will work fine for the white undercoat.
Two stage paint works slightly differently. The paint sprays on dull and dry and will NEVER cure until the clearcoat / hardner is sprayed over it. This gives you time after spraying on the red, to wipe off the letters. I use "prep-sol" or " pre-cleano" as a solvent. It will melt the red nicely. so spray some on a paper towel and absorb the paint using a circular motion on each letter. If you make a mistake, just spray on some more red where necessary and repeat.
When each letter is clean with nice sharp edges it's time to spray the entire cooler with a shiny clearcoat. By the way, these letters will never buff off.
Two stage paint works slightly differently. The paint sprays on dull and dry and will NEVER cure until the clearcoat / hardner is sprayed over it. This gives you time after spraying on the red, to wipe off the letters. I use "prep-sol" or " pre-cleano" as a solvent. It will melt the red nicely. so spray some on a paper towel and absorb the paint using a circular motion on each letter. If you make a mistake, just spray on some more red where necessary and repeat.
When each letter is clean with nice sharp edges it's time to spray the entire cooler with a shiny clearcoat. By the way, these letters will never buff off.
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: sodaworks on July 16, 2006, 01:16:35 pm
Glen, Could you clarify the process for me. Is it better to use single stage or two stage for the actual lettering? I was thinking that you used two stage paint for the whole process. Shooting the embossed lettering with color and clear coat. I'm getting ready to paint a C72 and was going to try your method on the lettering, Guys, I've seen Glens machines and his results are awesome!! 
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: MoonDawg on July 16, 2006, 03:14:00 pm
| Quote (sodaworks @ July 16 2006,11:16) |
| I was thinking that you used two stage paint for the whole process. Shooting the embossed lettering with color and clear coat. |
Yes, I use 2 stage on the white letters, but it really doesn't matter as long as it is cured well before step # 2.
After white is complete, DO NOT spray primer before shooting red. The reason is when you rub the red paint off, there will be a shadow of your primer around the perimiter of each letter separating the red and white.
Also, DO NOT color-sand and buff the letters prior to step #2, it's best to wait and do the whole cooler after paint work is all complete.
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: Bob K on July 16, 2006, 03:43:27 pm
That's a great system, Glen. I'll bet it takes a bit of practice to wipe off the smaller letters for sharp results.
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: MoonDawg on July 16, 2006, 07:57:33 pm
Smaller letters are the easiest. Wipe your cloth across the top of them all at once!
Title: Sand-thru lettering advice needed
Post by: sodaworks on July 17, 2006, 10:52:26 am
Thanks Glen.