Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: loman4ec on March 26, 2006, 08:17:20 pm
Ok I am really having a bad day. I haven't repainted the coin door from its face plant but I decided to see if I could get everything to fit before I repainted it. Well I am glad I did. I am trying to mount the coin mech. A coinco is basically the same size as a large door mech so I Put in my large door coin mech from the 88 to see where it fits. I then put tape around where the mechanical mech fit. I then took it off and put the coinco in its place. I marked where the new mounting holes need to be and drilled them. I mounted the coinco and then installed the coin door. Well this is where my problem is. The door will not close with the coin mech installed. The coin door is from a V83 electric machine and I thought that it was the same size as a normal large coin door. And from what I can see it is the same size. The coinco and my normal large c=door mechanical mech are the same size. I tried to shim the door at the hinge and so far I have it shimmed 7 washers and it still wont close. If anyone can help please try. Any pictures you can offer any advice anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. I will post several pics to show what I am having problems with.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: loman4ec on March 26, 2006, 08:19:30 pm
The second pic here is of a washer and a nut I am using as a shim for the coin door.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: MoonDawg on March 26, 2006, 09:04:51 pm
Well Josh all I know is the Vendo 80 coin door is not the same dimension as the 81. 80 is not as deep. Maybe this is your problem too ?
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: loman4ec on March 26, 2006, 09:29:17 pm
Ok that makes since but still the 80 has a coin mech in it so why doesn't mine fit. DOes the V80 have a bump out in the main door where the coin mech goes like the 81?
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Post by: collecture on March 26, 2006, 10:21:57 pm
Hi Josh,
You are in luck!
I just happened to have my V80 out for something today. The coin door is definately not as big as my VMC110 and the coin mech area is recessed by about an inch (see pic). I can get a better pic tomorrow.
You are in luck!
I just happened to have my V80 out for something today. The coin door is definately not as big as my VMC110 and the coin mech area is recessed by about an inch (see pic). I can get a better pic tomorrow.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: loman4ec on March 26, 2006, 10:35:07 pm
Thanks tom. That isn't the news I wanted but at least I know now. I wonder how I am going to fix this.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: collecture on March 26, 2006, 11:22:17 pm
Well, hmmm???
You could try to find a large door coin door.
or
You could cut out and weld in a recessed area for the V83 coin door or JUST for the mech area
or
You could modify the V83 coin door itself.
or
You could keep it as is with no mech and make it strictly a free vend machine.
I think the easiest would be the last - it would still function and look good, yet not be absolutely fully functional. Probably wouldn't get $1800 for it though.
You could try to find a large door coin door.
or
You could cut out and weld in a recessed area for the V83 coin door or JUST for the mech area
or
You could modify the V83 coin door itself.
or
You could keep it as is with no mech and make it strictly a free vend machine.
I think the easiest would be the last - it would still function and look good, yet not be absolutely fully functional. Probably wouldn't get $1800 for it though.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: loman4ec on March 26, 2006, 11:55:15 pm
I am going to try to modify the door itself first. Well I am going to have Kate modify it. I think I only need another 1/4 inch for it to fit so we are going to try to work on the hinge first. I think we might be able to pull it off. We aren't going to do too much to it at first to see if it will work and if it doesn't I think this will be a free vend machine. I would just wire it up so that when you push the coin release it would trigger the switch. That is a last resort. I am really bummed about this. The machine is almost done and thsi happens. Anyway Here is a pic of the inside. The rest of the machine is really comming along.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: loman4ec on March 26, 2006, 11:57:22 pm
I almost forgot does anyone have a wiring diagram for a square top 56? I need one to wire this machine up. Since this was a mechanical machine I need to know how to wire the Jones plug. If anyone has one to scan or has a PDF manual please send it to jdloman2000@yahoo.com
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: MoonDawg on March 27, 2006, 10:09:14 am
Josh.....the V80 is 2 3/4" deep........the 81 is 3 3/4" deep
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: loman4ec on March 27, 2006, 09:13:37 pm
Well kate moved the hinge out about a half inch and welded in a strip to hold the hinge in place but it still doesn't shut with a coin mech installed. Here is a pic. If anyone has any advice please share it. We are stumped. If I can't find a non change giving metal electric coin mech I guess this will have to be a free vend machine. The good news is I got it wired up and it is vending great.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: MCarter on March 27, 2006, 09:20:33 pm
Shim the hinge out.
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Post by: dr galaga on March 27, 2006, 09:38:49 pm
Is there a certain part on the mech that is causing it to not close right. In the pic it looks like the coin entry is kind of high. If that is the problam I imagine that you can shave it down. 
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: loman4ec on March 27, 2006, 09:51:49 pm
It hits on the corner of the mech. As you close it the whole left corner catches so the whole mech is too large. I need to find a simple metal coin mech and cut the case and take out and inch or so and weld it back together. That would be great. Without the coin mech everything fits great. I agree with shimming but we already moved the hinge 1/4 to 1/2 inch and then we added andother 1/8 inch worth of shimms and it sill wouldn't close. now with all of that shimming we have about 1/2 inch gap around the rest of the door.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: on March 27, 2006, 10:15:25 pm
Turn it into a Vendo 6 Case machine? Hee hee!
Sorry, couldn't resist with the soda machine nerd humor.
Sorry, couldn't resist with the soda machine nerd humor.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: BryanH on March 27, 2006, 10:23:57 pm
| Quote (loman4ec @ Mar. 26 2006,9:57) |
| I almost forgot does anyone have a wiring diagram for a square top 56? I need one to wire this machine up. Since this was a mechanical machine I need to know how to wire the Jones plug. If anyone has one to scan or has a PDF manual please send it to jdloman2000@yahoo.com |
Josh - search on wiring diagram... I know that I posted a couple links to the VMC56 wiring diagrams that I had.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: on March 27, 2006, 10:48:31 pm
He got one from Doc G.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: 90grad on March 28, 2006, 06:03:51 am
Josh,
Would it be possible to cut a strip of metal and weld it around the circumference of the coin door (basically, making it deeper by adding to the rear of it)? There would be some grinding and shaping or corners maybe. Then, you might have to add a shim to the coin slot so it lines up with the bezel. Just thinking out loud.
Would it be possible to cut a strip of metal and weld it around the circumference of the coin door (basically, making it deeper by adding to the rear of it)? There would be some grinding and shaping or corners maybe. Then, you might have to add a shim to the coin slot so it lines up with the bezel. Just thinking out loud.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: MoonDawg on March 28, 2006, 11:15:43 am
Well Josh, you need to make up that inch. Here is a thought. Can you purchase some aluminum channel 1" wide and 1/2" high and bend it the same shape as the perimiter of your coin door. It could be painted separately and screwed onto the main door from the backside.
Latches will need to be longer too. Good thing you have a welder-ess.
Latches will need to be longer too. Good thing you have a welder-ess.
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Post by: BryanH on March 28, 2006, 05:47:39 pm
I think cutting into the door and creating a recessed area to hold the coin mech would be cleaner than modifying the small door (although not as easy as the free vend plan). All the "work" would be hidden behind the original unmodified door. The welder-ess could create a lipped pan that could be seated into the hole and then welded or riveted to the large door. If the depth was correct you may not need to shim or realign the coin mech to the coin slot.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: loman4ec on March 28, 2006, 06:44:38 pm
Well I think I have it figured out. Bubba is trading me his origional metal non change giving coin mech for a coinco 9800B. His coin mech is really simple and is all metal. kate is going to try and cut about an inch out of the coin mech and weld it back together. We will see if it works. I hope it does. This might get rather interesting.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: MoonDawg on March 28, 2006, 06:58:58 pm
How can you cut out an inch and still have a functional coin mech???
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: loman4ec on March 28, 2006, 07:07:48 pm
I will show you all what I have in mind once it gets here. If it doesn't work or if it looks bad I am just going to do the free vend idea. The non change giving coin mechs had nothing in them really. They are really simple. They just use the same housing as change giving coin mechs. Actually we only need to take a 1/2 inch out since we added 1/2 inch by moving the hinge. I am sure it will work. And like I said if it doesn't or if it doesn't look origional at all I am going to scrap the idea.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: loman4ec on March 28, 2006, 07:09:57 pm
Here is what it looks like. Bubba I hope you don't mind me borrowing your pic. I think I can take a half inch from this.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: MoonDawg on March 28, 2006, 07:52:50 pm
You will re-locate the slug rejector?
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: bubba on March 28, 2006, 08:40:05 pm
Those pics are yours now Josh I hope it works out for you...
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Post by: loman4ec on March 28, 2006, 09:00:08 pm
Ill show you when it gets here. It might not work but I think it should. Everything will stay where it is. It is hard to explain.
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: sodaworks on March 28, 2006, 11:34:55 pm
I would weld a 1" band around the coin door. 
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: collecture on March 28, 2006, 11:43:13 pm
That is what I was thinking Terry. What about the coin box and bracket, cap catcher? All of those going to fit with the short door?
Title: I need help with the 56.
Post by: Eric on March 29, 2006, 05:01:08 pm
What was there originally?...
OK... just read from the begining... Call around maybe Randy at Nostalgic in Ozark maybe he'd have the correct door?
417.485.4165
May save a lot of work.....
OK... just read from the begining... Call around maybe Randy at Nostalgic in Ozark maybe he'd have the correct door?
417.485.4165
May save a lot of work.....