Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 09, 2006, 09:26:58 am
Hello
Help with this big can machine.
Kevin
Help with this big can machine.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 09, 2006, 09:29:56 am
Hello
Here is an inside picture.
This machine is set up for cans but you can see it was bottles in the past. The bottle opener has been removed & it has a tag that says "Place pop tops here". 5 selection.
Kevin
Here is an inside picture.
This machine is set up for cans but you can see it was bottles in the past. The bottle opener has been removed & it has a tag that says "Place pop tops here". 5 selection.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 09, 2006, 12:52:30 pm
Hello
A little more information.
This machine has been repainted in the past from Coke Red to Pepsi Red/While/Blue. The coin door appears to have been cut & repaired at the time of the repainting. The tag has been removed.
I just installed a new thermal disk inside the compressor pecker head to get it running. It is currently holding 40 degrees.
Now to get the vending area running.
Soon I will be able to make the V-63 a full time Red Bull Machine & this big boy can vend sodas at work.
Kevin
A little more information.
This machine has been repainted in the past from Coke Red to Pepsi Red/While/Blue. The coin door appears to have been cut & repaired at the time of the repainting. The tag has been removed.
I just installed a new thermal disk inside the compressor pecker head to get it running. It is currently holding 40 degrees.
Now to get the vending area running.
Soon I will be able to make the V-63 a full time Red Bull Machine & this big boy can vend sodas at work.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 09, 2006, 02:56:35 pm
Hello
It is a Choice Vend 299.
Kevin
It is a Choice Vend 299.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Ltransam on January 09, 2006, 02:58:45 pm
And It's Alive !!! And Huge !! 
Ltransam
Ltransam
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: jasmine64 on January 09, 2006, 03:33:41 pm
I was going to say it looks like my choice vend.
But you answered the question.
But you answered the question.
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 09, 2006, 09:09:24 pm
Hello
I conducted a test this afternoon.
The refrigeration system is still holding 40 degrees.
I tested the vending system operation. I installed the coinco from the work V-63, dropped in 50 cents, held down the empty switch & the machine vended on four of the five switches.
Now I need to get the lock situation straight. I need one T-handle lock for the main door. I think I can find one on Ebay. The second lock holds the main door & the second money door closed together. This lock is a long barrel bolt type.
This lock is used so that the machine can be serviced without access to the coin changer. This machine is a far different beast that our normal machines.
Plus I need to get two light ballests, two starters, two light bulbs.
I hope to have this machine in operation next week. Now I wonder when canned sodas will go on sale again.
Kevin
I conducted a test this afternoon.
The refrigeration system is still holding 40 degrees.
I tested the vending system operation. I installed the coinco from the work V-63, dropped in 50 cents, held down the empty switch & the machine vended on four of the five switches.
Now I need to get the lock situation straight. I need one T-handle lock for the main door. I think I can find one on Ebay. The second lock holds the main door & the second money door closed together. This lock is a long barrel bolt type.
This lock is used so that the machine can be serviced without access to the coin changer. This machine is a far different beast that our normal machines.
Plus I need to get two light ballests, two starters, two light bulbs.
I hope to have this machine in operation next week. Now I wonder when canned sodas will go on sale again.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Pixel on January 09, 2006, 09:37:42 pm
Wow, I bet it took a lot to move that thing. My 224 weighs +300lbs, I bet that machine is even heavier. Would you believe they made one that could hold 450 cans? God help the people who have to move one of those around!
I was going to say I thought it was a Choice Vend, but I've been beat to the punch.
I was going to say I thought it was a Choice Vend, but I've been beat to the punch.
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Ltransam on January 09, 2006, 11:06:07 pm
Kevin C
I have this lock If I find the Key (
) It's all yours .I'll look more for the key Tomorrow .The face of the lock cylinder has a P A A 1 ON IT iF ANY one else may have a Key ??
Ltransam
I have this lock If I find the Key (
) It's all yours .I'll look more for the key Tomorrow .The face of the lock cylinder has a P A A 1 ON IT iF ANY one else may have a Key ??Ltransam
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 10, 2006, 08:31:54 pm
Hey
Great news on the T handle!
I will post some more pictures on Wednesday. I have taken the big Choice Vend apart. I will be installing two new upper fan motors, new t-stat, new condensor fan motor & a new wiring harness. I may have to make some electrical adjustments to the wiring harness.
Kevin
Great news on the T handle!
I will post some more pictures on Wednesday. I have taken the big Choice Vend apart. I will be installing two new upper fan motors, new t-stat, new condensor fan motor & a new wiring harness. I may have to make some electrical adjustments to the wiring harness.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 11, 2006, 08:57:00 am
Hello
Here are a few pictures of the Choice Vend taken apart.
The rust in the bottom of the cabinet looks worse than it really is. The rust came from an evaporator pan under the upper evaporator coil. I think from running the machine without the two upper fan motors operating.
The removal of the inside parts was interesting due to the size. We had to remove the lower vending unit first & then we had to muscle the can racks out. For the most part this machine has the same basic design as one of our normal machines except for the vending wiring harness.
Repair parts should be flowing in over the next two days.
Kevin
Here are a few pictures of the Choice Vend taken apart.
The rust in the bottom of the cabinet looks worse than it really is. The rust came from an evaporator pan under the upper evaporator coil. I think from running the machine without the two upper fan motors operating.
The removal of the inside parts was interesting due to the size. We had to remove the lower vending unit first & then we had to muscle the can racks out. For the most part this machine has the same basic design as one of our normal machines except for the vending wiring harness.
Repair parts should be flowing in over the next two days.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 11, 2006, 09:01:17 am
Hello
Here is the can rack removed.
Kevin
Here is the can rack removed.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: jasmine64 on January 11, 2006, 09:22:11 am
Kevin
With no manuals out there for Choice Vend, you should document
every step(with pics) from removing the first screw, to putting the last screw back in.
Every step. Boy could this forum use that. Especially those of us that own a CV.
They could go in the Soda Jerk forum.
Post lots of pic, please!
With no manuals out there for Choice Vend, you should document
every step(with pics) from removing the first screw, to putting the last screw back in.
Every step. Boy could this forum use that. Especially those of us that own a CV.
They could go in the Soda Jerk forum.
Post lots of pic, please!
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 11, 2006, 12:58:02 pm
Jasmine
I will do my best.
There are some special items with the electrical service wiring harness that I am still investigating but so far it has been remove screws & pull apart. I was surprised to see two evaporator fan motors.
Kevin
I will do my best.
There are some special items with the electrical service wiring harness that I am still investigating but so far it has been remove screws & pull apart. I was surprised to see two evaporator fan motors.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Ltransam on January 11, 2006, 09:40:41 pm
Hi,Kevin C
I'm still looking for the key .I know I had it because I renoved the lock from the Machine .Eather way the Lock is yours .If I can't find the Key (Have'nt given-up yet) Just let me know if you still want it Maybe a key can be made?
Ltransam
I'm still looking for the key
.I know I had it because I renoved the lock from the Machine .Eather way the Lock is yours .If I can't find the Key (Have'nt given-up yet) Just let me know if you still want it Maybe a key can be made?Ltransam
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 12, 2006, 09:06:24 am
L T
I sent you a PM.
Thanks
Kevin
I sent you a PM.
Thanks
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Pixel on January 12, 2006, 09:17:53 pm
Hi, Kevin
Those are some neat pics, I haven't seen a CV machine disassembled before.
I'd like to ask a question or two, if that's ok.
Can the vend assembly (augers,motors and the metal sides around them) be taken out of the machine without having to take the huge columns above them loose? Sound like it can, but I'd like to be sure.
Thanks in advance.
Those are some neat pics, I haven't seen a CV machine disassembled before.
I'd like to ask a question or two, if that's ok.
Can the vend assembly (augers,motors and the metal sides around them) be taken out of the machine without having to take the huge columns above them loose? Sound like it can, but I'd like to be sure.
Thanks in advance.
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 12, 2006, 09:51:38 pm
Pixel
Yes that is how it comes apart.
There should be two screws holding the vendor section with the augers in place. That part slides out first & on to the floor in front of the machine. The wiring harness does not have a disconnect junction so it stays connected.
Next you can take the can rack out by removing the upper screws. This part is very heavy so have some help. On the lower right side there is metal tip that sits down between two metal clips. So the rack has to lift up & then pull forward to come out. We tried for about 20 minutes to pull the can rack out first before we figured out the correct procedure.
Next I took out the double evaporator fan motor bracket to clean it.
I then took out the refrigeration system for cleaning, painting, new condensor fan motor. While the refrigeration was out I cleaned the lower cabinet & the lower precool area that was showing all the rust drippings.
I have investigated the wiring harness on the CV. The wiring harness is more like a 3 plex outlet. One outlet is for the compressor/fan motor linked to the thermostat. Thermostat calls for a lower temp in the cabinet & allows the compressor to run. The wiring harness also has two fulltime (powered) outlets. One outlet powers the vending circut with the big augers, the coin mechanism & the lights. The third outlet was marked for defroster which I assume is for cold weather climates. So when I get the new wiring harness from the "Soda Jerk" I will have to figure out the best way to add the second plug in outlet. I have some ideas but not sure right now.
This CV appears to have never been cleaned in the past. I have spent at least 2 hours spraying & wiping the inside of the three doors.
I am working on the lighting to get it operational. I may just replace the old light rig with some out of the box lights from Lowe's.
I will post additional pictures on Friday AM.
If you have any more questions just ask & I will try to provide an answer that can be understood. It is sometimes hard to describe something with this many steps.
Kevin
Yes that is how it comes apart.
There should be two screws holding the vendor section with the augers in place. That part slides out first & on to the floor in front of the machine. The wiring harness does not have a disconnect junction so it stays connected.
Next you can take the can rack out by removing the upper screws. This part is very heavy so have some help. On the lower right side there is metal tip that sits down between two metal clips. So the rack has to lift up & then pull forward to come out. We tried for about 20 minutes to pull the can rack out first before we figured out the correct procedure.
Next I took out the double evaporator fan motor bracket to clean it.
I then took out the refrigeration system for cleaning, painting, new condensor fan motor. While the refrigeration was out I cleaned the lower cabinet & the lower precool area that was showing all the rust drippings.
I have investigated the wiring harness on the CV. The wiring harness is more like a 3 plex outlet. One outlet is for the compressor/fan motor linked to the thermostat. Thermostat calls for a lower temp in the cabinet & allows the compressor to run. The wiring harness also has two fulltime (powered) outlets. One outlet powers the vending circut with the big augers, the coin mechanism & the lights. The third outlet was marked for defroster which I assume is for cold weather climates. So when I get the new wiring harness from the "Soda Jerk" I will have to figure out the best way to add the second plug in outlet. I have some ideas but not sure right now.
This CV appears to have never been cleaned in the past. I have spent at least 2 hours spraying & wiping the inside of the three doors.
I am working on the lighting to get it operational. I may just replace the old light rig with some out of the box lights from Lowe's.
I will post additional pictures on Friday AM.
If you have any more questions just ask & I will try to provide an answer that can be understood. It is sometimes hard to describe something with this many steps.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 12, 2006, 09:58:07 pm
Hello
One more item for the CV
When I move it into place here at my office to take over the soda vending duties I am going to leave it apart, move the body into place & then put it back together. I will have to reinstall the vending part for the move but I will leave out the refrigeration unit & the can rack.
That weight is dangerous even with three or 4 guys moving it.
Kevin
One more item for the CV
When I move it into place here at my office to take over the soda vending duties I am going to leave it apart, move the body into place & then put it back together. I will have to reinstall the vending part for the move but I will leave out the refrigeration unit & the can rack.
That weight is dangerous even with three or 4 guys moving it.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Pixel on January 13, 2006, 01:13:17 am
Cool. I'm glad that the vend base can be taken out without the can rack.
I haven't looked yet to see for sure if my smaller CV is made where it comes apart the same way, but I don't know why it wouldn't. For the longest time, I've thought the rack and base had to be taken out together. That more or less "canned" (LOL) any work on the machine because of the sheer weight of just the rack. Being able to take the vend base out by itself makes much more sense.
Looking at the first picture you've posted (the one showing the machine's inside with the vend unit and can rack taken out), it looks like the evaporator coil is about the height and width of the vend unit. Was there another evap coil up above it behind the can rack? Though I can't say for sure, it looks like the evap in my 224 goes most of the way up the back of the machine.
EDIT: Is that the evap coil showing in the picture? It resembles a coil of some sort.
I haven't looked yet to see for sure if my smaller CV is made where it comes apart the same way, but I don't know why it wouldn't. For the longest time, I've thought the rack and base had to be taken out together. That more or less "canned" (LOL) any work on the machine because of the sheer weight of just the rack. Being able to take the vend base out by itself makes much more sense.
Looking at the first picture you've posted (the one showing the machine's inside with the vend unit and can rack taken out), it looks like the evaporator coil is about the height and width of the vend unit. Was there another evap coil up above it behind the can rack? Though I can't say for sure, it looks like the evap in my 224 goes most of the way up the back of the machine.
EDIT: Is that the evap coil showing in the picture? It resembles a coil of some sort.
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 13, 2006, 09:11:55 am
Pixel
I am sure your machine has the same set up as mine so it will only have one inside evaporator coil. Above the evaporator is a mount for the two fan motors that is shaped to force the cold air towards the sodas that are in the augers about to be despensed. My machine would cool the pre-cool area down to 40 degrees without the fan motors working but when I moved the thermometer up in the cabinet the temp would only get down to 50.
The key thing to check would be check if air is moving inside the cabinet. Even with one fan motor running your machine will still cool down sodas. It may just take longer to reach the tempreture setting of the thermostat.
Kevin
I am sure your machine has the same set up as mine so it will only have one inside evaporator coil. Above the evaporator is a mount for the two fan motors that is shaped to force the cold air towards the sodas that are in the augers about to be despensed. My machine would cool the pre-cool area down to 40 degrees without the fan motors working but when I moved the thermometer up in the cabinet the temp would only get down to 50.
The key thing to check would be check if air is moving inside the cabinet. Even with one fan motor running your machine will still cool down sodas. It may just take longer to reach the tempreture setting of the thermostat.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 13, 2006, 09:49:12 am
Hello
Here are two more pictures
The first picture shows the refrigeration unit out after cleaning & prior to paint & new fan motor.
The second picture is of the inside of the cabinet. The black on the bottom is a product that my AC sevice manager brought to me to try. It is called pan patch & kind of like Rino liner. I am not sure I need it but this machine has turned into a company project with everyone helping. I thought I would try it & maybe someone here may need it in the future. I am going to try to spray paint the black with silver paint this afternoon.
Plus you can see the two new fan motors & the metal hanging down is the new evaporator pan that was disconnnected to remove the refrigeration unit.
Kevin
Here are two more pictures
The first picture shows the refrigeration unit out after cleaning & prior to paint & new fan motor.
The second picture is of the inside of the cabinet. The black on the bottom is a product that my AC sevice manager brought to me to try. It is called pan patch & kind of like Rino liner. I am not sure I need it but this machine has turned into a company project with everyone helping. I thought I would try it & maybe someone here may need it in the future. I am going to try to spray paint the black with silver paint this afternoon.
Plus you can see the two new fan motors & the metal hanging down is the new evaporator pan that was disconnnected to remove the refrigeration unit.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 13, 2006, 07:44:27 pm
Hello
Here is the inside of the cabinet after I painted silver over the black under coating. It looks a little strange because the bottom of the cabinet is scratched. I think it will work well for machines with pan rust through.
I also have installed the wiring harness from the "Soda Jerk". Once again it worked great.
I finally figured out something else. The right most slot in the can rack is double sided. Well that is where you load the soda that you sell the most of. Well this slot was not working until I removed the micro switch & found that the selection button was installed upside down. I reversed the push button, check & now will have a five selection vending machine. Of course the button five will be Mountain Dew.
Kevin
Here is the inside of the cabinet after I painted silver over the black under coating. It looks a little strange because the bottom of the cabinet is scratched. I think it will work well for machines with pan rust through.
I also have installed the wiring harness from the "Soda Jerk". Once again it worked great.
I finally figured out something else. The right most slot in the can rack is double sided. Well that is where you load the soda that you sell the most of. Well this slot was not working until I removed the micro switch & found that the selection button was installed upside down. I reversed the push button, check & now will have a five selection vending machine. Of course the button five will be Mountain Dew.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: on January 13, 2006, 09:33:03 pm
I have a choice vend 168 and a 299. My 299 has 3 evaporator motors, and 3 rows that are double columns for cans, there are 4 holes they dispense out of. You can get the t-handle ( 6- 9/16") long from (vendors exchange International). I bought two cylinders so they are both keyed alike. They have a $25 min. order but they have several choice vend items such as the sold out lights, evap.motors,etc.:;):
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 13, 2006, 11:23:59 pm
Hey
Great information.
How do you take apart the little sold out light holders?
I am not really sure my machine is a 299 but it is a 5 selection big boy.
I am going to check out that website.
Kevin
Great information.
How do you take apart the little sold out light holders?
I am not really sure my machine is a 299 but it is a 5 selection big boy.
I am going to check out that website.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 13, 2006, 11:42:35 pm
Hello
Can you give me a link to that website for the CV sold out light bulbs?
Kevin
Can you give me a link to that website for the CV sold out light bulbs?
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Pixel on January 14, 2006, 12:15:36 am
If by "sold out bulbs" you're talking about the white plastic cylinder shaped unit that the bulb is made into-the one with the little red plastic lens, I looked here while back on the Vendor's Exchange website, I couldn't find that one. I emailed them about several CV parts and never heard back.
Kevin, does your big CV have service valves somewhere on the cooling system?
My machine doesn't cool, but even worse I can't find service valves at the compressor to even get it checked.
My machine had a slip of paper left inside from who knows when that read "HOT out of order" indicating the cooling system might have needed service at some point during its use, but unless the service valves are somewhere besides the compressor (like the evaporator maybe) I don't know how it would have been fixed.
Kevin, does your big CV have service valves somewhere on the cooling system?
My machine doesn't cool, but even worse I can't find service valves at the compressor to even get it checked.
My machine had a slip of paper left inside from who knows when that read "HOT out of order" indicating the cooling system might have needed service at some point during its use, but unless the service valves are somewhere besides the compressor (like the evaporator maybe) I don't know how it would have been fixed.
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: on January 14, 2006, 08:45:31 am
The website is <www.veii.com>. the sold out lights include the whole white plastic housing and are less than $2 (part #ve644) the t-handleis (part #ve227e). On my first order they sent me their catalog, it's about a inch thick with parts for alot of different machines. If you look on ebay for a "brown mfg bottle opener" with the 3 mounting holes, not the starr-x. It mounts in the hole. You can adjust the back of the racks, and you can change the amount of augers and position of the gears to vend bottles. There are spacer plates that hang on the racks to adust if the bottles are smaller diameter than the cans
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 14, 2006, 11:03:51 am
Hmmm
Interesting information.
Yes I need the little white plastic light covers with the pop-in red tips.
The spacers? Now you will have me spinning even more wondering it I can get Red Bull to vend from the CV.
I could not sleep last night because the CV is on the verge of being completed & I just kept going over the final details of parts I need & things to check prior to putting it back together.
Thanks
Kevin
Interesting information.
Yes I need the little white plastic light covers with the pop-in red tips.
The spacers? Now you will have me spinning even more wondering it I can get Red Bull to vend from the CV.
I could not sleep last night because the CV is on the verge of being completed & I just kept going over the final details of parts I need & things to check prior to putting it back together.
Thanks
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 14, 2006, 11:06:12 am
Hello
No my refrigeration unit does not have service valves. I was lucky in that aspect that my cooling system worked except for the fan motors.
Where are you located? If you are close to SC I may beable to help.
Kevin
No my refrigeration unit does not have service valves. I was lucky in that aspect that my cooling system worked except for the fan motors.
Where are you located? If you are close to SC I may beable to help.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: jasmine64 on January 14, 2006, 11:44:00 am
The spacer plate I have were still bundled up and in the
precool space of my cv.
Also they were part of the "name this part" post a while
back and Josh clued me in to what they were.
Played around with them and figured out where they went.
I posted some pics somewhere on the board.
precool space of my cv.
Also they were part of the "name this part" post a while
back and Josh clued me in to what they were.
Played around with them and figured out where they went.
I posted some pics somewhere on the board.
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: MoonDawg on January 14, 2006, 12:55:08 pm
Most refrigeration systems are sealed and do not have fill valves. No big deal, your refrigeration tech.will just tap into the line and do his test.
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Pixel on January 14, 2006, 08:27:09 pm
I may check with VEII again, though I would've appreciated it if they would've emailed me back when I asked about those bulbs.
My machine doesn't seem to have the spacers, but I only wanted it for regular 12 oz cans anyway.
Kevin, I live in the north MS area, so that's gonna be too far away, I'm sure. Even so, you can still help me out with some information. How much is a fair price to have a refrigeration tech put valves on the machine, then test and if all it is is low freon, recharge it? Can you give suggestions on a good alternative to R12?
Thanks again
My machine doesn't seem to have the spacers, but I only wanted it for regular 12 oz cans anyway.
Kevin, I live in the north MS area, so that's gonna be too far away, I'm sure. Even so, you can still help me out with some information. How much is a fair price to have a refrigeration tech put valves on the machine, then test and if all it is is low freon, recharge it? Can you give suggestions on a good alternative to R12?
Thanks again
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 14, 2006, 08:44:02 pm
P
I would go to an appliance repair store or an auto parts store & get a can of R-12 replacement. I have some out in the garage but not sure of the name. You should be able to buy some tap valves also.
I think for a tech to come to your house you are looking at $60 - $120.
Remember there is more to it than addinng the tape valve & adding freon. You may have to have the system evacuated. I leave this work to my ac service boys.
No spacers in my machine.
Kevin
I would go to an appliance repair store or an auto parts store & get a can of R-12 replacement. I have some out in the garage but not sure of the name. You should be able to buy some tap valves also.
I think for a tech to come to your house you are looking at $60 - $120.
Remember there is more to it than addinng the tape valve & adding freon. You may have to have the system evacuated. I leave this work to my ac service boys.
No spacers in my machine.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 15, 2006, 11:19:06 am
Hello
The replacement Freon for R-12 is Hot Shot 414A.
Kevin
The replacement Freon for R-12 is Hot Shot 414A.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 15, 2006, 03:56:39 pm
Hello
I went to the office today to work on the CV.
I installed the new lights. They are standard 24 inch under the counter type I bought from Lowes.
I test checked the electrical wiring. Both upper fan motors operate as they should & I gave the refrigeration system as quick check after the fan moter was installed.
Plus I did some final preperation to get this big boy ready to move. I had to reinstall the vend unit which I will remove again when I get it in place so I can reinstalled the can racks.
I did go to Sam's Club yesterday & bought 5 ea 36 can boxes of soda in preperation for loading.
Kevin
I went to the office today to work on the CV.
I installed the new lights. They are standard 24 inch under the counter type I bought from Lowes.
I test checked the electrical wiring. Both upper fan motors operate as they should & I gave the refrigeration system as quick check after the fan moter was installed.
Plus I did some final preperation to get this big boy ready to move. I had to reinstall the vend unit which I will remove again when I get it in place so I can reinstalled the can racks.
I did go to Sam's Club yesterday & bought 5 ea 36 can boxes of soda in preperation for loading.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 15, 2006, 03:59:28 pm
Hello
Here is the picture of the inside ready to move.
Now I only need the following to arrive.
1 T-handle
2. Flavor Strips
Plus reroute the condensation drain line.
Kevin
Here is the picture of the inside ready to move.
Now I only need the following to arrive.
1 T-handle
2. Flavor Strips
Plus reroute the condensation drain line.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 24, 2006, 10:58:59 pm
Hello
I have another question for CV owners.
Do your machines have a way to defrost the upper evaporator coil?
My upper coil has iced up again. When I replaced the wiring harness it had section on it for defroster so I think I am going to add some type of defrosting timer. I will get the smart guys who work for me to come up with some options.
If any of you smart guys have any ideas I am all ears.
Kevin
I have another question for CV owners.
Do your machines have a way to defrost the upper evaporator coil?
My upper coil has iced up again. When I replaced the wiring harness it had section on it for defroster so I think I am going to add some type of defrosting timer. I will get the smart guys who work for me to come up with some options.
If any of you smart guys have any ideas I am all ears.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: timsmore on January 25, 2006, 12:33:49 am
Kevin,
It does look like mine, but I think you have the model wrong or you have a different one. Here is a couple pictures of the tags that are on mine. I have one row/auger that is spinning continuously on mine. Is this a simple fix?
It does look like mine, but I think you have the model wrong or you have a different one. Here is a couple pictures of the tags that are on mine. I have one row/auger that is spinning continuously on mine. Is this a simple fix?
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: timsmore on January 25, 2006, 12:34:58 am
Here is the other tag.
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 25, 2006, 10:01:54 am
Timsmore
I am pretty sure mine is not a CV 299 but it is a five selection machine that looks like yours.
The defrosting issue was spinning in my head all night & I came up with installing a timer on the refrigeration part of the system. I will set the timer to shut down the refrigeration system & allow the ice to melt for an hour or so every night. This will be like the defrost cycle an older refrigerator.
Kevin
I am pretty sure mine is not a CV 299 but it is a five selection machine that looks like yours.
The defrosting issue was spinning in my head all night & I came up with installing a timer on the refrigeration part of the system. I will set the timer to shut down the refrigeration system & allow the ice to melt for an hour or so every night. This will be like the defrost cycle an older refrigerator.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: MoonDawg on January 25, 2006, 11:46:18 am
If air is being blown across the cooling coils the ice should not form. Or if ice does start to appear, the thermostat should sense that temperature and shut the compressor down.
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: cvb141 on January 25, 2006, 09:00:59 pm
The Choice Vends did come with a provision for defrost for high humidity. There is a jumper wire on the wiring harness you can remove and add in the defrost control. Have you checked for other possible causes for it freezing up?
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 25, 2006, 10:02:57 pm
Hello
Yes we have been talking about the possible causes.
We are going to recover the hot shot, evacuate & recharge with a new can of hotshot. This time we are going to weigh-in the charge to ensure we get the proper amount.
Plus we are going to relocate the position of the T-stat sensing tip.
Plus I am having issues with the high volume vending stack. This stack is the double vending stack but several times this week the augers did not spin enough to drop the can. I am going to unload/reload this stack to see if this will solve the situation. If not I will load this stack with my diet coke & move the mountain dew over.
Machine repair & issues. I love the challenge & the hunt for the answer.
Kevin
Yes we have been talking about the possible causes.
We are going to recover the hot shot, evacuate & recharge with a new can of hotshot. This time we are going to weigh-in the charge to ensure we get the proper amount.
Plus we are going to relocate the position of the T-stat sensing tip.
Plus I am having issues with the high volume vending stack. This stack is the double vending stack but several times this week the augers did not spin enough to drop the can. I am going to unload/reload this stack to see if this will solve the situation. If not I will load this stack with my diet coke & move the mountain dew over.
Machine repair & issues. I love the challenge & the hunt for the answer.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: cvb141 on January 26, 2006, 12:14:39 am
Hey Kevin,
Sounds like you got a handle on things. Wasn't you trying to get the two Pepsi machines in Pauline? Did you get them?
Jerry
Sounds like you got a handle on things. Wasn't you trying to get the two Pepsi machines in Pauline? Did you get them?
Jerry
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 26, 2006, 01:13:34 pm
Hello
CVB141 -Jerry
yes that was me but I thought I had better lay out for that auction. My 6th sense was kicking in & thought it would be a long frosty time with my wife if I jumped on another auction. I passed.
Now the CV
Today we removed all the soda's, thawed the upper coil, relocated the thermostat sensor tip to a location right below the coil, evacuated & recharged the refrigeration system. We then reloaded the soda & switched the diet coke to the vending row that was having problems. That way I can moniter the problem & maybe solve it.
I hope this solves the issues with the CV.
Kevin
CVB141 -Jerry
yes that was me but I thought I had better lay out for that auction. My 6th sense was kicking in & thought it would be a long frosty time with my wife if I jumped on another auction. I passed.
Now the CV
Today we removed all the soda's, thawed the upper coil, relocated the thermostat sensor tip to a location right below the coil, evacuated & recharged the refrigeration system. We then reloaded the soda & switched the diet coke to the vending row that was having problems. That way I can moniter the problem & maybe solve it.
I hope this solves the issues with the CV.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Pixel on January 26, 2006, 03:21:17 pm
Kevin,
How much would you say the cooling deck weighs - specifically, both coils, the compressor, and the refrig lines?
How much would you say the cooling deck weighs - specifically, both coils, the compressor, and the refrig lines?
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 26, 2006, 08:19:46 pm
Pixel
I don't think it weighs that much but it is long between the upper coil & the lower deck. If you are going to remove it have a helper so that you wont crimp the refrigeration lines. If you look at my pictures you will see the upper coil resting on a chair with the compressor on the ground.
My issue now is that one side of the high volume vending row has started to eat the cans. This may explain why it was marked out of order when I bought the machine. This row just started spinning but not despensing a can. So this was causing problems with my workers here at work.
On the bright side my soda vending, Red Bull vending & coin changer operation here at work brought in $120 this week. I will have to moniter it for a few weeks because we had free soda's with lunch one day. It does give me some money to play with. Plus I loaded up the Lance candy machine today so I hope that works out.
Now back to the choice vend eating cans.
Kevin
I don't think it weighs that much but it is long between the upper coil & the lower deck. If you are going to remove it have a helper so that you wont crimp the refrigeration lines. If you look at my pictures you will see the upper coil resting on a chair with the compressor on the ground.
My issue now is that one side of the high volume vending row has started to eat the cans. This may explain why it was marked out of order when I bought the machine. This row just started spinning but not despensing a can. So this was causing problems with my workers here at work.
On the bright side my soda vending, Red Bull vending & coin changer operation here at work brought in $120 this week. I will have to moniter it for a few weeks because we had free soda's with lunch one day. It does give me some money to play with. Plus I loaded up the Lance candy machine today so I hope that works out.
Now back to the choice vend eating cans.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: cvb141 on January 26, 2006, 11:35:13 pm
Hey Kevin & Pixel
If you guys need any vending gear motors or the vending gears, I have some extra ones and your welcome to them.
Jerry
If you guys need any vending gear motors or the vending gears, I have some extra ones and your welcome to them.
Jerry
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: timsmore on January 27, 2006, 12:40:12 am
Kevin,
I took my machine inside apart today. I noticed that the spindles are labeled front. front center, rear center, and rear. Maybe one of yours is in the wrong spot. Just a thought. Any idea if it makes a difference which row I set for longnecks. Once I had the spindle apart I realized what the sticker inside the main door was referring to about different set ups for cans as single and double feed and which spindles to remove for each setup. See attached images. Maybe this can help you.
I took my machine inside apart today. I noticed that the spindles are labeled front. front center, rear center, and rear. Maybe one of yours is in the wrong spot. Just a thought. Any idea if it makes a difference which row I set for longnecks. Once I had the spindle apart I realized what the sticker inside the main door was referring to about different set ups for cans as single and double feed and which spindles to remove for each setup. See attached images. Maybe this can help you.
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: timsmore on January 27, 2006, 01:21:39 am
My image is to big to put here but it shows infor on the spindles and how toi set up for different vends. Single double etc. If someone can tell me how to add a 1.6 meg file I'll put it on here. I tried to make it smaller.
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 27, 2006, 08:59:01 am
Timsmore
I think my machine has the same instructions inside. I guess I should read them sometime. The light just went on!!!
I am on the way out of town going to Nashville for the weekend so I will revisit this next week.
Kevin
I think my machine has the same instructions inside. I guess I should read them sometime. The light just went on!!!
I am on the way out of town going to Nashville for the weekend so I will revisit this next week.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: timsmore on January 30, 2006, 09:25:49 pm
I posted in my blog spot this also...
I plugged everything in to test the whole unit before continuing. Lights and cooling began. I ate dinner and came back out and no lights and the two fans in the back had stopped but nice and cool. Any help?
I plugged everything in to test the whole unit before continuing. Lights and cooling began. I ate dinner and came back out and no lights and the two fans in the back had stopped but nice and cool. Any help?
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on January 31, 2006, 12:57:48 pm
Hello
I placed an answer on your machines topic.
Kevin
I placed an answer on your machines topic.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on February 04, 2006, 10:32:58 am
Hello
Let me update everyone on the CV.
I was still having problems with the upper evaporator freezing up after the recharge & relocation fo the T-stat sensing tip. So I purchased & installed an electronic timer in the refrigeration circuit. So now the machine shuts down the refrigeration from 10 pm to 545 am to defrost the coil. During this defrost cycle the upper evaporator motors continue to run to help with the drefrosting. So I have really taken the Thermostat out of the picture even though it is still installed. I also programed the time to shut off twice during the work day so I can moiniter it to make sure it is still working. My next issue is going to be installing something to help evaporate all the condensation. That will be next weeks project.
The second item is the lack of proper vending from th high volume stack. When I did a check it appears to be two things going on. First the front cans in the stack fall out of the augers bottom first & then the top of the can hits the auger so the can does not appear to get enough speed to slide out. I am going to try applying some type to teflon spray to the metal vending slide to help the can slide better.
Kevin
Let me update everyone on the CV.
I was still having problems with the upper evaporator freezing up after the recharge & relocation fo the T-stat sensing tip. So I purchased & installed an electronic timer in the refrigeration circuit. So now the machine shuts down the refrigeration from 10 pm to 545 am to defrost the coil. During this defrost cycle the upper evaporator motors continue to run to help with the drefrosting. So I have really taken the Thermostat out of the picture even though it is still installed. I also programed the time to shut off twice during the work day so I can moiniter it to make sure it is still working. My next issue is going to be installing something to help evaporate all the condensation. That will be next weeks project.
The second item is the lack of proper vending from th high volume stack. When I did a check it appears to be two things going on. First the front cans in the stack fall out of the augers bottom first & then the top of the can hits the auger so the can does not appear to get enough speed to slide out. I am going to try applying some type to teflon spray to the metal vending slide to help the can slide better.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on February 17, 2006, 05:48:13 pm
Hello
Here is the final update on my Choice Vend!
I am not sure of the model I have but it appears to be a CV 181. 4 rows that hold about 36 cans & 1 high volume row that holds 48 cans.
1. I solved the refrigeration issue by installing a timer to turn on/off the refrigeration to include a 7 hour defrost cycle at night. The machine comes back on at 5:47 am in plenty of time to get the drinks nice & cold.
2. I solved the excessive condensation problem by installing a heated condesation pan that evaporates the all the condensation.
3. I think I solved the failure to properly despense cans from the high volume vending stack. In the back of each stack is an adjustable slide/guide to is adjusted by the set screws. I found this stack out of adjustment by almost 3/4 of an inch. After I adjusted the rear slide I have had no further problems vending from this stack. So next week I will move the Mountain Dew to this stack.
4. I bought & parted out a CV 299 so I will be working on the sold out lights next week. I have plenty of push button switches, screws, wiring harness, circut breakers, coin changer, vending motors etc.
Over the course of the last few weeks I have become pretty good at working on this big beast.
Finally I have been averaging $80 a week gross in vending sales from my three working for profit machines including the Red Bull V-63, Choice Vend -Soda machine & Lance pull handle snack machine. Now I am not getting rich but it does bring in a little money. I am trying to stash away some extra funds for the craps table when I go on the weeks cruise down the Mexican Baja next month.
Have a good weekend
Kevin
Here is the final update on my Choice Vend!
I am not sure of the model I have but it appears to be a CV 181. 4 rows that hold about 36 cans & 1 high volume row that holds 48 cans.
1. I solved the refrigeration issue by installing a timer to turn on/off the refrigeration to include a 7 hour defrost cycle at night. The machine comes back on at 5:47 am in plenty of time to get the drinks nice & cold.
2. I solved the excessive condensation problem by installing a heated condesation pan that evaporates the all the condensation.
3. I think I solved the failure to properly despense cans from the high volume vending stack. In the back of each stack is an adjustable slide/guide to is adjusted by the set screws. I found this stack out of adjustment by almost 3/4 of an inch. After I adjusted the rear slide I have had no further problems vending from this stack. So next week I will move the Mountain Dew to this stack.
4. I bought & parted out a CV 299 so I will be working on the sold out lights next week. I have plenty of push button switches, screws, wiring harness, circut breakers, coin changer, vending motors etc.
Over the course of the last few weeks I have become pretty good at working on this big beast.
Finally I have been averaging $80 a week gross in vending sales from my three working for profit machines including the Red Bull V-63, Choice Vend -Soda machine & Lance pull handle snack machine. Now I am not getting rich but it does bring in a little money. I am trying to stash away some extra funds for the craps table when I go on the weeks cruise down the Mexican Baja next month.
Have a good weekend
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on February 27, 2006, 08:40:18 pm
Hello
Dumped the compressor today. Get it running & something else goes wrong.
New compressor being installed on tuesday.
Kevin
Dumped the compressor today. Get it running & something else goes wrong.
New compressor being installed on tuesday.
Kevin
Title: Id this big thing
Post by: Kevin C on March 02, 2006, 10:37:05 am
Hello
Installed new compressor & got the CV Big Boy up and running again. Then developed a loud vibration so I installed rubber under the compressor deck to stop the noise.
So the CV Big Boy is running again.
Now aboout the 3 taken apart in the garage at home.
Kevin
Installed new compressor & got the CV Big Boy up and running again. Then developed a loud vibration so I installed rubber under the compressor deck to stop the noise.
So the CV Big Boy is running again.
Now aboout the 3 taken apart in the garage at home.
Kevin