Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Creighton on August 20, 2005, 09:54:25 pm
Have decided to replace all of the insulation and take care of minor rust around the leg levelers (sp). Pulling compressor bottle rack/ door liner etc. Basically an internal restore without a complete repaint.
Has anybody built a stand that would hold the empty shell +/- 3' off the ground vertical and also rotate back to have the shell horizontal? I have a idea but would like input.
The knees/back just don't like much up and down these days.
Thanks!!
Creighton
Has anybody built a stand that would hold the empty shell +/- 3' off the ground vertical and also rotate back to have the shell horizontal? I have a idea but would like input.
The knees/back just don't like much up and down these days.
Thanks!!
Creighton
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: BryanH on August 20, 2005, 11:54:55 pm
Geez - never thought of building something... 
This is what I used. For some of the heavy sanding I also used a milk carton 
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Let us know whatever you design. We're not above stealing a good idea.
This is what I used. For some of the heavy sanding I also used a milk carton .Let us know whatever you design. We're not above stealing a good idea.
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Creighton on August 21, 2005, 12:39:59 am
HeHe, Memories of the poor mans paint booth thread :-) Have sorted out what I want. Figure 6 or 7 trips later from the hardware store tomorrow will have a prototype. Tall rocking chair that goes all the way back with a saw horse to support the back of the top is the concept.
Creighton
Creighton
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Jim on August 21, 2005, 07:16:05 am
Creighton,
What I have done for finish painting will work for you...
Remember, I'm explaining this from the stand point of a machine that is being completely painted.
Get a plastic milk crate, preferably as square as possible for stability, fold an old towel and drape it over the milk crate to protect the back of the machine.
Carefully, lay the machine onto the padded milk crate making sure to balance the machine. I recommend keeping the cabinet balanced on the milk crate as close to the condensor compartment as possible without loosing the balance point. This will make it a little better for standing it back up without possibly hitting the rear lower edge.
Remove the current leg levelers. Locate four old leg levelers that thread into the base easily but keep them out for now.
Prep the machine for primer/paint or in your case, the lower compartment.
Paint the base, interior of the compartment and any other areas accessable while in the horizontal position.
Once you have applied the appropriate number of coats of paint to these areas, thread in the old leg levelers a few turns. Keep the leg levelers as high as possible so when you stand the machine up, it will clear the ground. Stand the machine up and continue to paint the areas you were unable to get full coverage onto.
Hope this technique or a modification helps...
What I have done for finish painting will work for you...
Remember, I'm explaining this from the stand point of a machine that is being completely painted.
Get a plastic milk crate, preferably as square as possible for stability, fold an old towel and drape it over the milk crate to protect the back of the machine.
Carefully, lay the machine onto the padded milk crate making sure to balance the machine. I recommend keeping the cabinet balanced on the milk crate as close to the condensor compartment as possible without loosing the balance point. This will make it a little better for standing it back up without possibly hitting the rear lower edge.
Remove the current leg levelers. Locate four old leg levelers that thread into the base easily but keep them out for now.
Prep the machine for primer/paint or in your case, the lower compartment.
Paint the base, interior of the compartment and any other areas accessable while in the horizontal position.
Once you have applied the appropriate number of coats of paint to these areas, thread in the old leg levelers a few turns. Keep the leg levelers as high as possible so when you stand the machine up, it will clear the ground. Stand the machine up and continue to paint the areas you were unable to get full coverage onto.
Hope this technique or a modification helps...
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Lulu on August 21, 2005, 07:40:54 am
Creighton,
You might think about using a 55 gal. drum stand in your design. It has the rockers so you would be able to lay the machine on it's back.
Something to think about...
You might think about using a 55 gal. drum stand in your design. It has the rockers so you would be able to lay the machine on it's back.
Something to think about...
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Creighton on August 21, 2005, 04:12:35 pm
Jim thanks for the words of wisdom!! I'd go that route except will need to move it out of view and secure each night.
Lulu, Great Idea! Hoping I can get by for a little less $$$.
55 Drum Cart
Thanks to All!!!
Creighton
Lulu, Great Idea! Hoping I can get by for a little less $$$.
55 Drum Cart
Thanks to All!!!
Creighton
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: MoonDawg on August 21, 2005, 05:18:07 pm
Wow the drum cart! What a tool. Capacity 1000 lbs. Strap this dolly to a complete machine any size, and tip onto its wheels, the machine laying horizontally. Now loading onto any truck bed is easy, even with one person.
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: coke_and_stuff on August 21, 2005, 06:14:36 pm
what about something like a engine stand, 4 bolts that would normally go into the engine block could go into the 4 holes on the base of the cabinet. You then would be able to rotate the machine 360 degrees. The only down fall the only part of the machine that would need to be worked off the stand would be the bottom.
Joey
Joey
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Jim on August 21, 2005, 09:01:06 pm
Creighton,
I'm not sure I understand your thoughts...
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| I'd go that route except will need to move it out of view and secure each night. |
I'm not sure I understand your thoughts...
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Creighton on August 21, 2005, 10:17:34 pm
Jim,
I'll need the box in front of the garage while working on it. If left in front of the garage overnight it would be gone in the morning. Have lost two bikes and the tags off both cars in the past couple of months. Such is life in San Jose, CA. :-(
Well here is the cardbord and staple mock-up of my thoughts. Still need to ponder some center of gravity and hinge issues. Idea's welcome!!
Creighton
Pic#1
I'll need the box in front of the garage while working on it. If left in front of the garage overnight it would be gone in the morning. Have lost two bikes and the tags off both cars in the past couple of months. Such is life in San Jose, CA. :-(
Well here is the cardbord and staple mock-up of my thoughts. Still need to ponder some center of gravity and hinge issues. Idea's welcome!!
Creighton
Pic#1
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Creighton on August 21, 2005, 10:19:48 pm
Here's pic #2
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Lulu on August 22, 2005, 06:36:27 am
I bought my drum cart on an auction for $10. You might keep an eye out in the paper or place a want ad. You'd be surprised what's laying around. Good luck.
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Jim on August 22, 2005, 07:04:20 am
I apologize in advance here... Are we attempting to create an easy way to work on cabinets/doors or finding a way to move parts around...?
Creighton, I don't mean to be forward, but what is this device going to aid you in accomplishing...?
For anyone that has worked on things, not just soda machines, you'll find that a few pairs of padded saw horses will work great to prep cabinets and doors for primer/paint. I was inclined to make mine from 3/4" electric conduit and utilize the same type of insulation I use on my hand-truck/dolly. These where the best things I made! For one, they are very light yet strong and fold up to hang on the wall out of the way of other operations needed in the garage!
Again, I'm sorry if I've gone off in the wrong direction...
Creighton, I don't mean to be forward, but what is this device going to aid you in accomplishing...?
For anyone that has worked on things, not just soda machines, you'll find that a few pairs of padded saw horses will work great to prep cabinets and doors for primer/paint. I was inclined to make mine from 3/4" electric conduit and utilize the same type of insulation I use on my hand-truck/dolly. These where the best things I made! For one, they are very light yet strong and fold up to hang on the wall out of the way of other operations needed in the garage!
Again, I'm sorry if I've gone off in the wrong direction...
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Creighton on August 22, 2005, 09:00:48 pm
Jim,
No need to apologize. I'm just trying for a stable, correct working height stand that is mobile. I would be very happy using sawhorses/milkcrates etc.. Just isn't a viable solution at this location.
Looking at several materials to assist in weight and ease of storage issues.
Thanks for the input!
Creighton
No need to apologize. I'm just trying for a stable, correct working height stand that is mobile. I would be very happy using sawhorses/milkcrates etc.. Just isn't a viable solution at this location.
Looking at several materials to assist in weight and ease of storage issues.
Thanks for the input!
Creighton
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Pat Pixley on August 22, 2005, 10:54:24 pm
Ok well it sound like there is a theft problem. Just wondering
can the machine stay it the garage till the job is done,
and maybe park one of the veh. out side. (with out the plate left on it so the bad people wont get it)
I have to agree with Jim , saw horse's work pretty good
a little carpet padding and carpet it works pretty good .
Just a thought Creighton.
Pat
can the machine stay it the garage till the job is done,
and maybe park one of the veh. out side. (with out the plate left on it so the bad people wont get it)
I have to agree with Jim , saw horse's work pretty good
a little carpet padding and carpet it works pretty good .
Just a thought Creighton.
Pat
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: sodaworks on August 23, 2005, 11:54:15 am
I use a folding stand that I bought at my automotive paint supplier. I will post a picture later, it works great.
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: dr galaga on August 23, 2005, 07:22:58 pm
| Quote (Creighton @ Aug. 21 2005,11:19) |
Here's pic #2 |
You either have too much time on your hands, or are taking an art class.
What model of machine is it? A Vendo?
You need to build one of these to go with your machine: http://www.wayoftherodent.com/gd101/bs_paperarcade.htm .
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Creighton on August 23, 2005, 09:18:11 pm
Thanks to those that have posted relevant input on this project!! It's funny we have "Model T" detached garages in this neighborhood. In my case the porch has been extended and the neighbors fence cuts into any chance of even getting a car to the garage. It's now the shop and full manufacturing equipment as well. No room for a machine.
Dr. Galaga. No I don't have a great deal of extra time. I have taken several art, architecture and engineering classes in collage and over the course of my professional career. I've found that mock-ups and input from others makes for a better design that can be usefull for all interested. Why repost a picture that is already in the thread? The link you posted is very weird. What was the point?
Regret this thread was ever started.
Creighton
Dr. Galaga. No I don't have a great deal of extra time. I have taken several art, architecture and engineering classes in collage and over the course of my professional career. I've found that mock-ups and input from others makes for a better design that can be usefull for all interested. Why repost a picture that is already in the thread? The link you posted is very weird. What was the point?
Regret this thread was ever started.
Creighton
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: dr galaga on August 23, 2005, 09:32:27 pm
It was some small arcade video games that you could print out, cut out and put by your Coke machine. I have a Pac-Man one sitting on my desk. The reposting of the picture was so that you would know what the mini arcade games were in reference to.
(BTW: thought your pic was kind of cool)
(BTW: thought your pic was kind of cool)
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Pat Pixley on August 23, 2005, 09:32:46 pm
Creighton, I . Just was wondering why it could not go in the garage that all . I never said this was a bad ideal , I just said
I agree with Jim on the saw horse's that's it. I'm sorry that you feel offended that was not my intent.
Pat
I agree with Jim on the saw horse's that's it. I'm sorry that you feel offended that was not my intent.
Pat
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Ltransam on August 23, 2005, 09:38:32 pm
Hello,Creighton
Don't regret anything If there were'nt people like you that try things .We would'nt be on the Moon or in Space >.I like your Ideal ! Maybe add locking casters I found some at the flea market 4 for $2.00 Then you can move it easyer. Plus in my Neighbor hood I could probley get anought wood on garbage day to build the frame.So other then your time .Very Little cost.
Ltransam
Don't regret anything
If there were'nt people like you that try things .We would'nt be on the Moon or in Space >.I like your Ideal ! Maybe add locking casters I found some at the flea market 4 for $2.00 Then you can move it easyer. Plus in my Neighbor hood I could probley get anought wood on garbage day to build the frame.So other then your time .Very Little cost. Ltransam
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Creighton on August 23, 2005, 10:44:45 pm
Thank you Ltransam!!
Locking casters are the cats meow, 16 of them deployed so far on other equipment. I'm in luck they are building 230 condo's nearby and it's all the scrap 2x4's I care to haul off. You are right about garbage day, never know what goodies will turn up.
Thanks again!!
Creighton
Locking casters are the cats meow, 16 of them deployed so far on other equipment. I'm in luck they are building 230 condo's nearby and it's all the scrap 2x4's I care to haul off. You are right about garbage day, never know what goodies will turn up.
Thanks again!!
Creighton
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Jim on August 23, 2005, 11:35:16 pm
Creighton,
We'll expect a working proto-type within a couple of days...
We'll expect a working proto-type within a couple of days...
Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Creighton on August 24, 2005, 07:22:21 pm
Not a fully functioning alpha, but just need some square tubing and it's there. Nice thing it will fold and very easy to attach risers into the frame. Gotto go grandpa wants his wheelchair back 
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Title: Machine restoration stand?
Post by: Creighton on August 24, 2005, 07:23:46 pm
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