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Restore or not to restore, that is the question.

I often wonder about that question and I do appreciate all the time and effort someone puts into a restoration but sometimes I wonder why.  I'd take an original over a restored any day.  I still don't see the need to restore something if you could clean it up and it works fine.

I'd even go as far as ONLY painting a machine, which seems to be frowned upon, but if the insides work, why restore the insides?  Doesn't taking the parts apart, cleaning, and lubing work great.  Why does everything have to be zinc plated.  If the part lasted this long, I don't believe it needs to be plated.  Just clean it and lube if necessary.  I guess I'm the only one who thinks that's O.K., lol.

I have two items that are "Restored."  My Popperette, which was filthy, missing wiring, full of maggot husks (thousands of maggots throughout), and had bad paint.  I had no choice.  The other one was my Evans Winterbook, which was in terrible condition too.

Then there are a few machines sitting in my basement staring at me saying when are you going to finish me.  One is a Stoner Coffee with the changer, and DuGrenier candy man.  Both have been painted, but the insides were only taken apart and cleaned.  Forgive me Lord for I have sinned.

Three complete repaints, stoner candy, dual hot nut machine, and my Cigaromat 3 pull with the original stand.  I bought it repainted or as they called it "Restored."  The insides are fine.  Just needed a good cleaning.

My VMC72 and CS-96 Coke machines, Vendo Ice Cream machine, National Cigarette machine, Rowe gum, Rowe candy, Candyette, Watling scale, Hamilton Changer, Coin-O-Matic Cashier, Seeburg A, Mills Do Re Mi, Seeburg 200-C1, Seeburg wall box, Penny Box, Genco ski ball, United Falcon, United Embassy, CC rocket Shuffle, Computer Pachinko, Booze Barometer, CC Jukebox, Williams Base Hit, Bally Sharp Shooter, Bally Skill Roll, Bally turret bowling, Acme Roulette, Bally Fleet, Bally High Hand, Bally Streamline, Atari Pole Position, 40 various beer signs,and my Exhibit Supply High Ball have only been cleaned, lubed, and put back together.  They all look and work fine.

So my question is why do we need to restore?

I few years ago I said or my rule of thumb was if a machine wasn't a 7 or better then restore it, now I would say if a machine isn't a 6 or better restore it. I have both restored and unrestored machines, I like them both. I think as a buyer the better investment is a unrestored machine if it's rather nice. I also know unrestored machines are far easier to sell. My 2 cents.

        I had 2 self serve machines for sale for the same price a while ago. One was restored inside and out, the other was 100% original.

        The buyer chose the unrestored machine!  :happydrinkers:

I have some nice survivors in my small collection but a few of my coolers are just too far gone... They have either been painted with a roller, missing a few parts, or just not presentable
as they sit now... My Hires is a good example of restoring.... The MA'S is too nice to mess with... it's a nice little survivor...

You bring up a great question. I have an appreciation for both restored and unrestored. Because I am cheap, I usually end up buying things in horrible condition and my only choice is to restore them. However, I enjoy the process of restoration so that is ok. I have an appreciation for the time and effort that goes into a restoration and I sometimes look back on some items I have restored and I can’t believe I actually spent the time and effort to have done the restoration. With that said, I have a popperette that I restored and now I do not want to use it because I know how dirty it will get. How dumb is that? This is where I wish I had a nice unrestored original.

I have also collected cars over the years and although I can truly appreciate the time and cost that goes into making a classic car perfect, I would rather have an unrestored driver. At our local car show there is a guy who has an old 59 vette that he pulled out of a barn. It has some cracked fiberglass faded paint and would be considered a beater in the day, but I would rather have that car than any other at the show. The nicest car I ever owned was my least favorite because I was afraid to drive it anywhere. I am currently restoring a 1945 chevy 1/2 ton pickup and I am purposely restoring it as a driver. I am reminded that for trucks rolling off the line in 1945 there was scant attention paid to fit and finish and they used straight enamel paint. These were work trucks. My restoration has taken me 10 years now, but I am almost finished. Over the years the truck has had a few mishaps while sitting in my garage that have resulted in a few scratches and small dents. Don’t care and that is why I love this truck.

After having written all of this I realize I have no idea whether I like unrestored or restored better. I guess the answer for me is “it depends.”

"I have a popperette that I restored and now I do not want to use it because I know how dirty it will get. How dumb is that?"

Ha,  I agree wholeheartedly.  Sometimes, I am almost relieved when something that is restored gets a nick in it.  Then I feel I can take down the velvet ropes and use it.

Larry’s my Buddy !!

And I believe along the same lines . Larry reworked my Popperette and the paint wasn’t perfect compared to the work Larry did on the insides but I use it and it’s all original other then the reproduction base I got from Jim ( side note my was a counter top model )  Which is what I like . 90 % of my machine are original showing dings and dents and even a little rust .
But I’ve had a couple machine restored to save them as the paint was gone and surface rust was heavey so they need it .
There is a need for restoration to preserve them .

       These were originally placed next to each other to show customers the amount of work that goes into a restoration.
It is amazing how many people tell us they would love to buy the unrestored one for daily use. They call it patina...... :biggrin:

My preference is noted in my signature below, but I must be in the minority.

Great Topic!!!
most of you know I restore Soda machines, Gas pumps and Candy/Popcorn machines. I consider my restorations to be very nice and would hold them up against anyones...
However in my personal collection, I only own one restored machine (Stoner Jr Candy Vendor).

I have always held the standard that if it's not nice enough to put in the living room, I should restore it..

however Larry' holds a good point... and for example my Daily use Vendo 81D I own was a VERY nice clean original paint machine.. however I did take out the liner, clean up the rust/moisture issues, added some prohibiter and reinsulated and put in the cleaned tub, and all new gaskets.  I cleaned up the and lubed the original stack, shelves and reinstalled. Because it was a daily use machine, I restored all the wiring, compressor deck,fan motors and thermostat so it runs safer.

So I see both sides for sure... and really depends on personal taste...

I think the popular vote is going to unrestored in all aspects of collecting to include gas pumps and pedal cars.  A complete switch for some years back when "over the top" restorations were the going thing. I never liked all the pin striping and extra decals and chrome plating everything.Restoring signs has almost in all cases been a NO NO. I think Jukeboxes and Pinballs have to be restored due to the electronics involved.

Now its a decision to or not to based on condition. Those that can go either way are tough! Take for instance my Pepsi/Coke Selmix Dispenser...

yeah tough call on this.. do you know what he used to try and clean off?... obviously it was too harsh maybe try cleaning the edge on the side he did to experiment
what you could use on the other side....

WD 40..

as someone who builds custom cars, restoration and conversions...i have an odd quirk for this

some things SHOULDNT be restored if they are truely a nice survivor, but if its trashed and ya gotta..you may as well go full tilt basicly if your going in for surgery why not go all the way or at the very least "as far as you need to"

in the case of my 12-96 the only thing im considering is re-plating the shelves and stack parts just to  deal with the grimy "look" after cleaning and to loose the surface rust....replacing the insulation is a consideration too but beyond that...

my 58 ford custom 300 2dr will get full boogy restored when i get to it..where my cudas just get used n abused the way they are....my lloyd being the odd man out..painting it TRUE candy which means chip it and your repaining but i plan to BEAT on it

as many have said about "chips dings n scratches"..you cant enjoy it if your afraid to hurt it

As we have all said "It is only original once!"
I like original, but oddly enough the machine that gets the most use in this house is my restored DP Westy WB-60. Probably because it vends eveything...cans, water and beer.
I think unrestored will hold it's value better than restored and will probably appreciate at a better rate. Seems like a restored machine is like a new car - once you drive it off the lot, you can't get your money out of it.
My wife and I are friends with an older couple who have been collecting and restoring cars for some time now. We recently had a discussion and they are of the opinion that there is a fundamental shift happening where nice originals are what people want now.
Bob, we all know you don't use your machines! You are missing out on the greastest aspect - getting the coldest beer out of your favorite cool machine! :happydrinkers:

Tom is right. I should use my Restored machines. But they sit next to a fridge that is already in use for other food items.  I frequently use the Popperette that Larry Restored for me and I love it. Makes the best corn ever. Maybe I should adopt that mentality for my other machines and use them (at least 1 of them!). Good topic!

No velvet ropes at my house. Vending machines are made to vend.

my uss-12-96 sits within inches of the old beer fridge..which we still use for "overstock" as we by milk 6gal at a time and such as well as being a second fully stocked freezer....the cavalier is loved so much that a 6 pack/case of anything gets bought and stocked instantly only to vend it seconds later...no one is NOT kept off the pack or case to drink it gets vended first! thats how much we love our machine

i must agree tho  that anyone who has a machine that will "vend all" is more likely to get used than anything else

Hi,

so I have My Coke Vendo 56 seen in the photos below.  I too have no desire to do a full restoration on it, because the paint scheme on it is the same type as the machine I used as a kid.   No matter how much they replicate the original, it won't look the same.  There is patina sure, but this also reminds me of the machines I used as a kid.  Here in Australia, most machines weren't exactly treated like fragile flowers.  I'm just glad I found a machine that has no break in damage etc, and the paint is 99.95 % all there, with some chipping, scratches etc.

My main question is about cleaning them up.  All the photos of the exterior are before I washed it using automotive was and wax.  The exterior looks even better now, but the interior is my next project.  Is there anything I should avoid doing while cleaning the interior?

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I'm not going to restore my Cavalier 64. I've been fixing whatever needs repairing, and I might need to do some sanding and painting on the bottom.
Age wear is cool, sterile new is not.

Kdog, avoid anything with bleach/amonia or other harsh chemical cleaners. Nice machine.
Creighton

Basically used automotive soaps and waxes, and it cleaned up very nice. 

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