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I have a dole citation I want to use . I don't understand how it works,does anyone have one they use.any help would be appreciated. Thanks Mike

Hi Mike,
      What do you need to know? I just looked at your slideshow you posted about the fountain.
I've never owned a Citation but most of the older fountains work on the same principle.

Thanks for the reply. Would like to know about hooking it up to a carbonator ,and anything you would share .

Mike,
     It looks to me like the carbonator is already hooked up minus the CO2 line, the line is there, it is just not connected to the CO2 inlet fitting on the carb. (round cylindrical stainless fitting in the picture with a 1/4" flare fitting.)

     Although I could probably get that carb to run, talking you thru rebuilding it would be tougher, it would be in your best interest to buy a used one on E-bay for around $100. The only problems with the carb would be the pump, and the check valves, the pump is the brass part connected to the front of the motor with the round red circle, it will be frozen in place and not functioning, you can remove the clamp holding it on and remove it if you wish, there will be a keyway that connects to the motor that allows it to turn and pump water. These a readily available and could be easily replaced, the check valves are a different story
     Your bigger problem though is the lack of a compressor to cool the cabinet for the syrup jars and cool the carbonated water for the draft arms, without proper cooling you can not make a decent soda that will maintain carbonation, so a compressor will be a must. The Citation cools itself by putting ice into the top of the machine, so if all you want is the Citation working you could skip the cooling part.
     I would guess that the Citation will work fine, although it might leak a bit, nothing a few o-rings won't fix. All that you would have to do is insert the float into the white plastic syrup tank and add syrup, get a CO2 tank and regulator and fire up the carb and pour yourself a drink. Don't do this unless the carbonator is connected and pressurized otherwise your syrup will just go thru the valve and drain on the floor.
     Is there anything remaining of the compressor system? Evap coils, condenser, fan?
     My guess is if your lucky enough to find a refrigeration guy to install you a cooling system you could get this thing operational if that's your goal.
     If you want to learn how to disassemble the valve and clean it I can go thru that with you also.

Stuntpilot,

I think there might be some confusion here as I think the slideshow you are referring to is mine (http://soda-machines.com/discussions/index.php/topic,19580.0.html).   That said, if that is the case you have started to answer some of my questions already  8) .  So I don't confuse things I do have a few updates on your question about the compressor.  My I PM you with those or possibly start a new thread?   Thanks, Nick

thanks Nick yes it was a little confusion all that I have is the dole citation no carbonated or nothing just want to find out how it works and what I need to do

Yep, no problem.  If you post some pictures Stuntpilot is the man on dispensers and I am sure he will be able to help you.   Make sure to take some pictures inside the tank and the underside where the connections are. 

Oh My!!   That one went right over my head. :darn:  Didn't even bother to look at the name. :biggrin:

mshore,
      Sorry about the confusion, if you read this thread it should answer any questions you might have in regards to getting this operational, or just learning how it works.
 It's a different dispenser but the same principles apply. The dispensing valve is the same for both machines. I did make one error in my post at the bottom of page 2, you do need the special fitting to connect the soda line to the dispenser which is available in Chicago.

 http://soda-machines.com/discussions/index.php/topic,17412.0.html

Hi Stuntpilot,

Thanks for the response.  I have actually read that link before, but am going to go through it a little closer this time and will let you know if I have any questions.  I have been in contact with Phil at American Soda and he has been very helpful.  In regards to the soda line needing a special fitting I am a bit confused.  Are you referring to a soda shutoff that you just screw in the screw and it pinches the rubber insert and shuts off the flow as you mention in the link you provided?  Is something that would have normally come with the dispenser?

In regards to the compressor, it is gone.  There are several lines that leave the refrigerator and lead under the sink, but I just don't which is which yet.  I would imagine one of these if for the compressor, but it is not like a soda machine (what I am used to) as being a sealed unit as all these lines all have connectors on them.   The odd thing, again I am thinking in reference to a soda machine, when I look inside the refrigerator I don't see any sort of evaporator or coils.  There are a a lot of copper lines and I think what is called a heat extractor (name Phil game me) that cools the carbonated water.  I don't see anything that looks like it has been removed or cut.  I still have a lot to learn and study on this, but any thoughts you would have would be appreciated.

A couple of updates.  I am working with Ken (kbareit) on the refrigeration.   Stuntpilot I will reach out to you once I take a closer look at my dispenser and review you other link and will let you know if I have any questions.   Also, per Ken's suggestion I did reach out to the Dunhill Company who manufactured these soda fountains on the hope that they might have some information on it.  I exchanged several emails and they were quite responsive.  They reported that they are the same company, but have not manufactured soda fountains in some time and did not know if they would be of help.  After a few more emails and some very nice requests from me for any type info they actually provided me scanned copies of the specs for the what they had on bobtail fountains.  These specs appear to have everything I might need including schematic drawings on the refrigeration system.  I was really quite surprised.  I guess it never hurts to ask.

Yes, you need to have that fitting with the rubber insert. It seals itself to the tube that protrudes from the bottom inside the fitting. Without it the fitting will leak.

You do need the 1/2" fitting that I had Ryan buy also to connect to that fitting, the rubber seals that end and no washer is needed.

I'm not really familiar with the cooling systems of old soda fountains but I do have some old literature that my father kept but all those are for Bastain Blessing and Stanley Knight fountains, I'll try to find them and see what they have. I believe most of those had a freezer section for the ice cream and a refrigerated section for the syrup pumps. I've never heard of the brand you have.

Stuntpilot,  thanks for the follow up.  I may have a few more questions for you, but if I do I will start another thread.  Thanks for all of your help.