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Title: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: tkaz on January 24, 2014, 01:44:13 pm On Etsy of all sites, came across this one, $3500???
VMC 81 Royal Crown Cola Sign https://www.etsy.com/listing/170640999/vmc-81-royal-crown-cola-machine-sign * Vintage Original 1950's Unpainted , Embossed , Stamped , Sheet Metal Sign/Plate * The Sign/Plate says ... Serve Yourself Royal Crown Cola Better Taste Calls For RC * Bare Metal Stamping ... Never Painted ... Never Cut * Original Factory Made Stamping * Heavy Gauge Sheet Metal * Very , Very Rare !!! * Appears to be a ' Factory Test Stamping ' for the ... VMC 81 Royal Crown Cola Vending Machine Door * Actual Sign/Plate Size is - 12" (H) x 20" (W) * Photos of the Sign/Plate have been cropped slightly for better clarity Title: Re: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: Pixel on January 24, 2014, 01:57:38 pm It looks like a large "bubble" of metal around the impression. Would that have happened on a test run?
Title: Re: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: mygoose101 on January 24, 2014, 02:19:26 pm Wow, imagine that. Someone just happen to find the original test stamp for the RC 81. I think I've heard it all now. Pleazzzze!
Title: Re: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: mygoose101 on January 24, 2014, 02:22:15 pm But I must say I'm a little disappointed that he doesn't also have the original test stamp for the Ideal 55 Dad's root beer embossed slider. I guess that would be asking too much.
Title: Re: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: kbareit on January 24, 2014, 03:28:08 pm Wow, imagine that. Someone just happen to find the original test stamp for the RC 81. I think I've heard it all now. Pleazzzze! Might be the very last stamp they made. When pulling dies they would place one of the metal stampings between the upper and lower dies to protect the lettering. Title: Re: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: BONOVOX on January 24, 2014, 04:48:57 pm I cant really see from my tablet... but is there a Registered "R" symbol at to the right of N on CROWN ?
Even if it is.... I see swirl marks on the metal.... NEW metal from the mills do not have those swirl marks. Swirl marks come after the metal has been cleaned, polished, altered etc.... :happydrinkers: Title: Re: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: johnieG on January 24, 2014, 04:51:47 pm There are fake...a run of these Chinese made knock off stampings a few years back on Ebay, these are not NOS, they are hydro-stamped* ( not hard metal die stamped) they were sold as "patch panels" & quickly shut down by Royal Crown for copy right infringement, there are a few still floating around out there to date as you can see, basically they were used to "convert" a generic VMC-81 to an RC VMC-81 to enable the seller to fleece an unsuspecting dupe into shelling out big bucks for a phony-baloney machine.
* hydro stamping uses a female stamping die below & a large bladder filled with hydraulic oil above in a captured vessel, then they pressurize the bladder to a few thousand PSI & it "stamps" the metal into the female die, thus transferring the desired embossing. It's not as detailed as a male female dedicated die-set, as the rubber cant conform as sharply to female cavity, the stampings will look "soft" on the rise-edges & you can see the bulge caused by the bladder onto the steel. always ask to see the back side of the embossed door, I would if I were paying big bucks for a "rare" machine. Title: Re: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: mygoose101 on January 24, 2014, 04:58:22 pm Agree, this is why I feel a unrestored RC 81 will always be worth more money if it is left unrestored regardless of the condition. There is only one RC 81 restored that I would ever buy and that belongs to a good friend of mine who I have known for over 25 years and has owned that machine even before I met him.
Title: Re: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: Pixel on January 24, 2014, 05:02:59 pm There are fake...a run of these Chinese made knock off stampings a few years back on Ebay, these are not NOS, they are hydro-stamped* ( not hard metal die stamped) they were sold as "patch panels" & quickly shut down by Royal Crown for copy right infringement, there are a few still floating around out there to date as you can see, basically they were used to "convert" a generic VMC-81 to an RC VMC-81 to enable the seller to fleece an unsuspecting dupe into shelling out big bucks for a phony-baloney machine. * hydro stamping uses a female stamping die below & a large bladder filled with hydraulic oil above in a captured vessel, then they pressurize the bladder to a few thousand PSI & it "stamps" the metal into the female die, thus transferring the desired embossing. It's not as detailed as a male female dedicated die-set, as the rubber cant conform as sharply to female cavity, the stampings will look "soft" on the rise-edges & you can see the bulge caused by the bladder onto the steel. always ask to see the back side of the embossed door, I would if I were paying big bucks for a "rare" machine. That bulge is the "bubble" I was talking about, isn't it? I thought it looked suspicious. Genuine embossing on a machine has a nice flat evenness around the stamp. I have to admit, this is one of the more unusual scams out there. Title: Re: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: sc1101 on January 24, 2014, 05:05:42 pm Wow I never new that these fake plates existed. I didn't realize people were really going to that extent to fake an RC81. I always thought it was a rumor that people really cut out and welded the piece in place. Some scum will do anything for a buck.
Title: Re: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: MoonDawg on January 24, 2014, 05:40:08 pm Thanks Johnie, for updated information on a lingering subject. http://soda-machines.com/discussions/index.php/topic,7022.0/all.html (http://soda-machines.com/discussions/index.php/topic,7022.0/all.html)
I see what you mean about the letters not being as crisp. Anyone know what gauge metal they used? Title: Re: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: Pixel on January 24, 2014, 05:50:13 pm I bet somebody got this and thought "I don't really want to mess with putting it in a machine." Or maybe "If I put it in a machine I might get busted. I'll try to sell it as an OEM one-off instead."
Title: Re: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: tkaz on January 24, 2014, 10:21:29 pm What an unbelievable wealth of knowledge on this site, thanks Johnie! I was trying to figure out what machine it was cut out of originally, but seems like the smaller embossing is mostly "Best by Taste Test" vs. "Better Taste Calls for RC".
I bet he'd be pretty upset to learn what he's got, though I doubt anyone is paying that price for a panel Title: Re: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: rayg on January 24, 2014, 11:09:06 pm Knowledge is $$$ in this hobby ....way to go Johnie!!
Title: Re: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: vintage-air on January 25, 2014, 04:31:00 pm Correct stamping!
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c283/bondovian/100_1040.jpg) (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bondovian/media/100_1040.jpg.html) Title: Re: Ok, here's a new one, factory stamped RC81 embossing? Post by: johnieG on January 25, 2014, 06:23:56 pm Correct stamping! (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c283/bondovian/100_1040.jpg) (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bondovian/media/100_1040.jpg.html) Bingo!....$ :biggrin: only hard-dies can produce this level of detail. |