What is this and a little help

[timsmore]

What do I have here?  Here is the information from the tag.

DNCB 168/99-6  PE2364

I got this machine on Sunday.  I seem to be able to only get the newer stuff.  We plugged it in before I left and all except the dirt seemed OK.  On Sunday I gave it a hosing and let it dry here in the desert for over a day.  When I plug it in now it trips the GFCI in my garage.  If I disconnect the plug for the fan all is well.  Also I left the fan unplugged long enough only to try out the lights.  I put new ones in and the first tripped the GFCI as the bulb blew and the second was really bright until it faded and blew.

#1 Where should I start to attack the electrical issue?  Is there a chance that the water may be somewhere?  I do not see any at all and things do dry pretty good given the chance here.

#2 Looking at the inside it seems that this machine could do both cans and bottles.  It does mention a PBR.   And there is a location for the bottle opener.  If bottles are an option is it only certain selections and what about the PBR?  Where can I find them?

[collecture]

Can you post a picture? From the model number, it might be a Dixie Narco.

[timsmore]

Sorry now this is posted twice.  Maybe the big guys can remove the other one.

[timsmore]

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[cvb141]

It does look like a Dixie Narco to me. I have one a little newer than yours, thats why I said it looks like one to me. Have you tried to plug it into an outlet without a GFI. I've seen some stuff that would run in a regular outlet but not in a gfi. Especially after hosing them down. Good luck, hopefully some else will have better info for you.
Jerry

[collecture]

Timsmore,
You definately have a Dixie Narco machine. I ran across this eBay auction, which you might be interested in. It is for some DN manuals - Does not have your specific model listed, but might offer some insight into how the DN's operate.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws....IT&rd=1

[timsmore]

OK I unplug the constant power cord for the fan and no problem.  Plug fan cord in and remove where it attaches, see picture--OK  No short within the plug recepticle.  Touch the terminal and instant power loss.
I would think this would be a simple short, atleast I hope.  The constant power leads go to here and then two wires go to the fan itself '>  '>

[sodaworks]

Another canidate for the "Mines Bigger" award!! '>

[timsmore]

Not even close to the Behemuth CVC-223(78" tall).  Ths machine is only 57" tall 27" wide and 26" deep.  I figure if I can pull it off and get it to work it will be a perfect little match to sit beside my 58" tall VMC-77 bottle machine.  Oh yea, does anyone know what it takes if possible to get this machine to do some bottles and also cans?  WHat's the PBR and where can I find them if needed?

Thanks everyone.

Pabst Blue Ribbon? '>

[KreKol]

Does the fan try to spin when it is hooked up before it blows the power?  If not I would first try replacing the fan before doing anything else.  A quick check would be hooking up your top fan to where the bottom fans hooks up (unless you have an extra one laying around) and if it blows I would replace the soft start for the compressor.

[timsmore]

I'm losing what little of my mind that I still have....Not PBR but PLB instead.  Looks like bottles or cans or maybe both at the same time is possible.

Thought???

[timsmore]

I hear the top one spinning so that is an option.  Thanks and I"ll let you know! '>

[Jim]

Tim,

My bet is the fan is shot, shorted out, or the wire from the fan is shorted internally. If the machine operates without the fan wired into the system, it's time to replace the fan...

[timsmore]

Anyone with a cheap replacement or where can I order this from.  Not sure if they are universal or a specific kind.  Thanks again.  This machine makes 5 in a two car garage and momma is going crazy.  I gotta move some out.

[KreKol]

I picked up a fan off of E-bay a while back and I think I paid around $10 for it.

They are usually $20 to $40 at an appliance parts store.
Unfortunately the stores near me lean toward the $40.

[sodaworks]

Grainger has the fans in stock.

[timsmore]

I should know this but....what would the type or model be that I ask for?  Not much to go off of with the old one.  Thanks

[bcharlton]

Tim:

Please tell me that this is your entry to the March ugliest machine contest./

Ps  Making some progress with the Dad's Vendo 56.
Does anyone miss the Motts machine?'>?

[bubba]

Brian... that Dads machine looks great... I want to do a different machine, but my wife didn't like the bright yellow of the Frostie... Maybe she'd like this one... What are you doing on the sides?

[bcharlton]

Bubba"
I am doing a decal D-A-D-"S that will be bout 5"x10"  It will run North and South.  I have done a decal for the main door but I am still perfecting it in Photoshop before I put it down on vinyl.  I will send pics when complete.  It will look something like this on the sides.

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Ice cold

[timsmore]

UPDATE

I don't know what is what but I have a picture!!!  First off I took out the bottom of the unit where the fan and '> are located and removed the potentially bad fan.  Once I cleaned enough to see what the model and specs were for the fan I decided to give it some power just to double check. (fan blade removed)  As soon as I plugged the wires to a/c the motor spun like a charm.  That brings me to the picture below.  First what is the actual name? Condensor?  Anyway I was wondering seeing that what you see is very antique at best looking, just hanging on the side, is there a chance that this is the problem?  If any of you (which I'm sure you most can) could ID the different items and give input to the possibility of any of these going bad and where to find them I would very much appreciate it.

[collecture]

Tim,
The relay is connected to the start and common posts of the compressor motor - a jumper connects the overload to the run post on the compressor. Both the overload and the relay can go bad. As far as where to get another original one-good luck! Someone here may have one though.

Most configurations have the condenser fan connected to the relay / overload and a line plug from them going to the harness. From the harness, hot lead goes to the evap fan and a cord going to the t-stat is tied into power to the compressor. Are you sure you have it wired correctly?

[cvb141]

If I understand right, you think you have it narrowed down to the compressor. If you have a multimeter, you can remove the start-relay, and overload. Then set on ohms, ohm out between each post coming out of the side of the compressor where the relay and overload was connected, to a ground. Like, from the start post to the copper line coming out of the compressor, and it sould not give any readings. if it does between any of the start, run, or common windings then the compressor is shorted to ground and is the problem. When you remove the overload look at the back and see if it looks dark brown or black or cracked up. It should be a round shiny bi-metal disc. Also look at the relay for signs of burnt terminals or bad connections. You can get replacement parts but most people use a 3-n-1 start capacitor, overload, relay combination, that replaces everything with one part. Hope you get her going.
Jerry

[timsmore]

I'll get an ohm meter today and check.  Any help from someone on how bottles would load in this?  I think it would be awesome to have both cans and bottles at the same time.  I prefer glass whenever possible. '>   I'll keep Mr Blues until this is operational again.