compressor runs for 30 sec only

[ANTIQUE CASTLE]

GREETINGS YA'LL
The condenser fan,and evaporator fan run.
The compressor runs for 30 seconds(one thousand one etc method) and then shuts off.
Any ideas?
The fans keep running.
The machine is a C-55d.
I did not see any kinks in the tubing.
It has a new Start Relay, Capacitor & Overload Relay(1/5hp),from funtronics.
(If anyone needs one they are half price direct from supco.com part#RCO810)
I am going to double check my wiring.

[cohammer]

did you do anything to the thermostat.

[kbareit]

Sounds like its tripping the overload. The compressor might be larger than 1/5 hp. I'd start there and verify having the right 3 in 1.

[johnieG]

Yep, sounds like your compressors tripping the overload, I cant imagine a C55d having anything bigger than a 1/5-1/4 HP compressor, so I'd say you could try the 1/4HP 3-in-1 but in my opinion it's time for a new compressor. because even if it worked, the compressors probably on its way out.

A 3-in1 replacement overload start/run relay is very handy to replace a defective OEM start/run relay, but also take into account that you are dealing with a 50+ year old unit. You'd have to measure the running amps with an in-line plugin style Amp/wattage meter like the sell at home Depot ( down the electrical isle) & compare it to the nameplate FL amps (full load running amps) I betcha a doughnut hole that you'll see a very high current indeed.

[ANTIQUE CASTLE]

Yep,pulling too many amps.
1/5HP RATED AT 3.8 AMPS,and pulling 5A.
No soup for me! Next!
What does a new Tecumseh compressor run?(I need to adjust the price)

[johnieG]

Well I know what I charge to rebuild compressor decks, but other folks charge differently, kinda depends on the machine & where you're located ( what I'm trying to say is there is no "standard" price per-say  )

[Pat Pixley]

I'll tell you what JohnieG does all my compressors and there top notch when he done wih them.



This is one that he did for a Pepsi 81

[ANTIQUE CASTLE]

IS THIS A FAIR PRICE?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tecumseh-Compressor-NEW-AEA3417YXA-R134a-1-5-HP-BOM-AE520AT-727-A4-/261202178696?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd0dcf288

Any idea what a fair refrigeration labor cost is?
 

[ANTIQUE CASTLE]

https://vendingworks.com/collections/vendo-compressor-decks
These are the replacement decks I mentioned

[globalcompressors]

the single compressors on ebay are a 1/6hp... too small for a V81 or similar machine.

the others, are modern machines, for modern coke boxes, Dixie Narco, Vendo, Royal Vendors,
etc.. decent price on those, for a 'push button' machine, if looking for a used piece of equipment.

[johnieG]

http://www.vendingworks.net/refrigeration.html
These are the replacement decks I mentioned

While the cost looks attractive, do be aware that these "Certified-Refurbished " (whatever that means) decks are in fact used units,  removed from out of service late model machines.  I'd ask them to tell me there "refurbishing" process & I'd hope it involves more that a quick hose-down & slapping it in a shipping box and kicking it out the door. 

Here's what "Refurbish" means to me, both fan motors replaced, a brazed in line service valve installed into the system & the system leak checked, recharged & cycle checked for proper system pressures, a current draw on the compressor, and a new thermostat installed & if needed a new grounded wire harness ( not a wire-nutted extension cord spliced onto the machine)

These decks can be give extended life to a machine in your situation and budget needs, just be aware of what you are buying. And I'm sure they will honer their warranty, you will still be responsible for shipping it both ways.  (oh & sometimes the price may also require a rebuildable core.)

[ANTIQUE CASTLE]

Where can I get a compressor? What is a reasonable price?
I am going to use a local guy to do the work.
I have two machines that need compressors so far.

[globalcompressors]

if you're using a local tech, he can get the compressor for you.

just curious, what do you consider... 'reasonable' ?

[ANTIQUE CASTLE]

"Reasonable" is cost+repair/replacement+sell vs "dump it for a meager profit".
I would imagine a reasonable price for a compressor is $100+.
I have a talent for finding things at true wholesale.
People in the Smokies will pay more than most,as long as they do not have to fix.
Electrical/mechanical logic/repair comes easy for me,but refrigeration is not one of my talents.
I do not look for or pay for "illegal/slave labor" "deals",but I have investment/time/profit demands.

[globalcompressors]

"Reasonable" is cost+repair/replacement+sell vs "dump it for a meager profit".
I would imagine a reasonable price for a compressor is $100+.
I have a talent for finding things at true wholesale.
People in the Smokies will pay more than most,as long as they do not have to fix.
Electrical/mechanical logic/repair comes easy for me,but refrigeration is not one of my talents.
I do not look for or pay for "illegal/slave labor" "deals",but I have investment/time/profit demands.

.... well, I'm NOT going to be your Guy.

Hey Johnie G, this fella' has investment, time, and profit demands, but doesn't pay for illegal 'slave labor'... maybe you can help him out!
HAHAHAHA!!!  

[MoonDawg]

if you're using a local tech, he can get the compressor for you.

               Best advice yet. He will advise you which compressor will fit best.

               Remember he is also considering how to mount the new unit into your deck because now the holes will be in different places as well as the ports.

              He buys wholesale and will probably charge close to what you would pay online including shipping.
If not, you could still buy the new unit for him but you really should get his OK first.

[Slapshot42]

I just spent $215.00 on all of the assessory parts which had nothing to do with the actual compressor itself.

You may find it very hard to get anyone at at the price you are willing to pay.  I paid $100 just o ship a compressor a few months ago.

months ago. 

This is not a cheap hobby, sometimes you will be lucky to break even on a machine!

[SIGNGUY]

TO get it done right , and fit correctly in your vintage machine , use the guys on this forum who know what they are doing..

johnnie G and Eric from Global know their stuff when it comes to Vintage machines.. and from what I've seen and experienced personally they are the best.

[ANTIQUE CASTLE]

I do not understand your "humor".
These machines are only parts to me.
If I have to invest too much money,it has to go.
I just adjust the price.
Shipping is not a cost factor,just a necessity.
What do you consider reasonable to replace a compressor?

[jholmgren]

I do not understand your "humor".
These machines are only parts to me.
If I have to invest too much money,it has to go.
I just adjust the price.
Shipping is not a cost factor,just a necessity.
What do you consider reasonable to replace a compressor?

Most of the folks on this board are hobbyists/collectors, so your comment that "These machines are only parts to me." is not likely to get you many favorable replies. 

There are a few that do provide commercial services to the collectors here (Eric, Johnnie, etc) and they have already chimed in with their opinions, but the vast majority of us on this board are not in the business of buying/selling machines for a living.

To try to answer your basic question, in my experience a reasonable price to replace a whole cooling deck is somewhere in the $1,000 range.

If you want it done well and "proper" you can take your chances locally with someone who may or may not do it right, or you can reach out to someone like Johnnie or Eric and work with them offline to get a better idea of what they can offer you.

Jim

[bcharlton]

"Reasonable" is cost+repair/replacement+sell vs "dump it for a meager profit".
I would imagine a reasonable price for a compressor is $100+.
I have a talent for finding things at true wholesale.
People in the Smokies will pay more than most,as long as they do not have to fix.
Electrical/mechanical logic/repair comes easy for me,but refrigeration is not one of my talents.
I do not look for or pay for "illegal/slave labor" "deals",but I have investment/time/profit demands.

This is yet another example of why the board should be split up into 2 different groups.  One for the hobbyist and the other for the weekend warriors.  I am losing interest in dealing with the new people that use the board solely to make money.  I used to give free advise because I thought most fellow members actually had a love for collecting old soda machines.  Now, many of the new members overwhelmingly seem to be in it for the buck.  Not trying to insult anyone as I believe in your right to make as much money as you can. However, I think we may need a site for the people that don't "flip" everything they collect.  It's getting old.

American Pickers and American restorations strikes again.  They may be responsible for all the new "entrepreneurs"

Just my .02

BC

[ANTIQUE CASTLE]

Thank you for the price response.
That tells me to adjust the price,and dump it.
I do not collect,so the machines are just like any other antique,or collectible for sale,,,parts.