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Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 07, 2005, 02:35:07 am
Well I traded my Pepsi V-77 and got this almost like new, original, unrestored Cavalier CS-64C. I don't like Pepsi machines, only Coke machines for me.

I just got it tonight and it is now down in its final resting place, my gameroom.

Take a look at it, no stickers, nothing broken, etc. and I haven't even started cleaning it yet:






Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 07, 2005, 02:38:38 am
Forgive my photography, I had to use the camera in my cell phone.

All the parts are there and it runs beautifully.

Anyone know when the CS-64C was made? Everything always says "Early '60s", but does anyone have a year?

Here is a close up:


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: loman4ec on April 07, 2005, 07:17:41 am
Yours is the early 64 model. It was made between 1960 and 61. Nice machine. I have an identical machine as a parts machine so let me know if you need anything.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 07, 2005, 07:44:00 am
Thanks so much Josh.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: Kevin C on April 07, 2005, 08:24:48 am
Nice


Kevin


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 07, 2005, 08:30:37 am
Thanks Kevin.

Josh, should this machine have Bezels around the Cap Opener and Coin Return? I don't think it does, but thought I should ask.

[Edit: I just looked at the illustration in the Soda Machines section and it doesn't look like it had them.]






Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 07, 2005, 08:34:46 am
So realistically, how long must I wait to let the machine/oil settle back down before safely firing turning it on for good?

The wait is always painful.

Just asking, because it has now been 12 hours, but I just want to be sure.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: Eric on April 07, 2005, 09:36:45 am
I've heard you should wait 24 hours... Heck I wait a couple days.... to be sure... better safe than sorry......


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: BrianB on April 07, 2005, 10:12:18 am
Kito - 24 hours is sufficient for the oil in the compressor to settle, but Eric's suggestion doesn't hurt either.

Oh yeah, would you be willing to rent out the space on top of your new machine for storage? I have some old greasy bags of rags and some old coffe cups I need to have stored. Thanks in advance!  :D


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 07, 2005, 10:36:46 am
Ooooh, you are very funny!!! :laugh:

Actually, believe it or not, I plan on putting something on top of that machine!!!

I am applying a sheet of soft felt to the entire bottom of one of my wooden Coca-Cola cases (the kind that holds 24 bottles) and keeping that on top of the machine for people to place their empty bottles in.

The felt will keep the metal and wood from scratching the top of the machine.

So see, I'll allow one safe thing on top of our machines. :D


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: petey64 on April 07, 2005, 10:50:13 am
very nice machine, but don't be hatin' on Pepsi now


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: loman4ec on April 07, 2005, 10:57:09 am
Mark I don't know if it origionally had bezels or not mine has them but after looking at both of mine they are the style after yours. I am sure they will fit if you want to try them. I will give them to you if you would like to try them. I think I have two or three sets.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 07, 2005, 11:00:52 am
Josh, do you have a nice looking bottle cap opener from your CS-64?
Mine is looking really nasty (I know, I know it is hidden inside the square hole, but still...). :)






Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: BrianB on April 07, 2005, 12:59:55 pm
Kito - those bottle cap openers do clean up very nicely with some elbow grease, or you can purchase a new one from the usual sources. Green felt, eh? That's actually a very good idea.

Did you ever have any luck finding a Coca Cola Empty Bottle Rack?


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: BrianB on April 07, 2005, 01:10:27 pm
One quick note Kito, here's an Ebay auction for a machine mounted empties rack that came off a Vendo 44. The auction number is: 7146389342. I know you were looking for a floor model but figured you might be interested in this too. It has about 6 hours to go and zero bids at $75.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: MoonDawg on April 07, 2005, 01:28:38 pm
These work well on the wall next to the machine.  I have 5 of these I'd like to sell.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 07, 2005, 01:45:38 pm
VMC117BMB, nope I never got a case rack. But now my gameroom is getting so crowded with cool things, and my new CS-64C looks so cool without anything next to it, I think the one padded wooden Coca-Cola case on top will be perfect for now. I just dropped by a Michael's craft store today and picked up a nice soft sheet of red felt that I will cut and apply to the bottom of the case.

Thanks for pointing out the wire side rack. I have been tempted by them on eBay before, but I'm fine for now. But what a coincidence, literally one hour ago I went over to my friend's house while on my lunch break and he showed me that he has one of those in storage in his garage and said he might give it to me! But in the end, I think my single case on top will have a cleaner look for now.

Thanks guys.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 07, 2005, 01:46:49 pm
Quote (VMC117BMB @ April 07 2005,12:59)
Kito - those bottle cap openers do clean up very nicely with some elbow grease, or you can purchase a new one from the usual sources.

Good point, I think I will just try to clean mine up before requesting one from Josh.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 07, 2005, 01:54:41 pm
Another question that I should know the answer to, but don't.
I am about to wash down the main interior metal refrigerated compartment and shelves, etc.

Now I am not restoring this machine to sell it or anything. I'm just cleaning it so that I can start using it soon for chilling and serving my beer bottles.

What cleaning solution (or brand) should I use to spray and wipe down all the metal sides and shelves, etc.
Obviously I don't want anything that will react with the metal and I also want it to be quick and easy.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
~M


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: loman4ec on April 07, 2005, 03:09:20 pm
Kito take the bottle opener and clean it and paint it with silver hammertone. That is what I usually do and it looks good.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: johnieG on April 07, 2005, 03:27:00 pm
Very Nice indeed! Nice trade!


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: BryanH on April 07, 2005, 10:52:49 pm
Quote (Markito @ April 07 2005,12:54)
What cleaning solution (or brand) should I use to spray and wipe down all the metal sides and shelves, etc.
Obviously I don't want anything that will react with the metal and I also want it to be quick and easy.

Kito - sweet trade.  

For cleaning - roll up your sleeves and use Simple Green and/or CLR with steel wool or scotchbrite pad (kitchen scrubber)


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: loman4ec on April 08, 2005, 12:02:59 am
Yes since the last thread about simple green I bought a bottle and I now swear by it. It is great stuff.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 08, 2005, 01:07:07 am
Thanks guys I'll buy "Simple Green" first thing in the morning.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: BrianB on April 08, 2005, 08:28:17 am
'Kito - If there is no rust/lime/calcium build up on any portion of the innards. You can use a simple solution of hot soapy water and a sponge/lots of clean rags. After that is done, you can deodorize the interior using a box of baking soda. just leave it in there open with the door all sealed up for a few days and you should be good to go.

If you do happen to have build up that doesn't come off with simple soap and water, Use a diluted mixture of CLR. Then follow that up with the soap and water. It helps to neutralize the CLR a little better and smells a wee bit better too!

There are however products used by food service companies that are readily available at A/C & R stores & food service supply companies that are used to de-odorize/sanitize the insides of refrigerators used in a restaurant setting. In addition they also sell a product called "Coil Blast" that is very similar to a dry cleaning solvent that evaporates rapidly and requires no wiping and leaves your coils (evap/condensor) smelling oh-so-clean and lemony fresh! :laugh:

BTW, great to hear about you buddy with the rack! At least you'll always have the option if you ever make room for one. :D


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 09, 2005, 04:17:16 pm
VMC117BMB,
You have a Cav. 55, right?
How the heck do I get the lighted sign off of my Cav. 64C???
I see a small screw at the bottom of it, so that seems simple, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to get at that screw do to the gold control panel's hinge. I removed the two screws that I tought held the hing and panel on, but even without screws, the hinge and panel won't budge at all!

Please help ASAP!

Thanks so much,
~M


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: loman4ec on April 09, 2005, 06:10:46 pm
Mark, I forgot that I have a Cavalier 80 that is identical to your machine just taller. I went out and looked and the two screws that you removed are what holds the sign. The sign is just really tight. You will need to take a flat blade screwdriver and pry the sign out. I don't think you need to take the center screw out.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 09, 2005, 07:17:24 pm
Josh,
Thanks so much, but I finally figured it out just before you told me. I was trying anything and everything. I just happened to push up and out on the sign (on the bottom of the sign), with my two thumbs. And it budged! Then I had to push really hard and it finally worked its way out.
Yay! I got it!

Now to find a replacement 12-inch 3W flourescent bulb. So far Home depot and all the hardware stores haven't had a 3W in 12-inches. All their 12-inch bulbs are 8W.
I may have to call a lamp specialty store and hope that they still make them.
What have you guys used as replacement bulbs on your Cavalier signs?

~M






Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 10, 2005, 08:50:15 am
Would an 8W flourescent (5 watts stronger) have any negative effects on the plastic sign, etc.? I know I sound like I'm nitpicking, but I don't want anything to happen to my mint condition plastic sign.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 10, 2005, 09:36:21 am
hello I usually just read all the posts here since I dont have any expertise like the rest of you but I have a cavalier 80 with a burned out bulb  and you guys just helped me figure out how to change the bulb. Thank you very much, for what its worth the burned out bulb in my 80 is an 8 watt. Thanks again


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: loman4ec on April 10, 2005, 10:10:07 am
jstreic,
Welcome to the site. Most of us really aren't experts. I know I learned most of what I know from just asking questions here. This place is more a group of friend rather than soda machine experts. So please fell free to join in to the fun.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 10, 2005, 12:29:59 pm
Josh, what do you think? 8watts would be just fine? Won't get too hot for that small space and plastic?

jstreic, that gives me hope. Thanks for chiming in. Glad you're here. Speak up more often.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 10, 2005, 12:32:53 pm
Hello I made my first posting a little bit ago. I thought I had my problem fixed but......when I replaced the light in my cavalier 80 within a minute I got a nice liitle spark and a pop and the whole machine shut down. Is there maybe a fuse or something? This machine has worked perfectly for the 5 years I have had it.Can someone please help?


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 10, 2005, 01:05:42 pm
Sorrry guys it was a false alarm my machine is working now when I got the spark it blew the circuit and all I had to do is reset the breaker. I panicked and didnt think clearly. I still need to replace my light bulb though. Is it possile that the 8 watt bulb instead of the 3 watt bulb caused this? Also I have a tech quetion about this site. How do you post pictures? Thanks, jstreic


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: firemun on April 10, 2005, 02:00:45 pm
jstreic,

To post a photo, when you add a reply use the "browse" button to locate the photo and select the one you want.  That will attach it to your post.  Note there is a file size limit.

As for the bulb, somebody with more knowledge might shed more light (...oops sorry) on the subject. Just quickly though by using the "wrong" wattage bulb you change the resistance and thusly the current.  For example"
If you use a 8 watt bulb you get 1650 ohms
if you use a 3 watt bulb you get 4400 ohms

R = E (squared) / P
where R = resistance
where E = voltage
Where P = power in watts

Then to calculate amperage it is I = E*R
Where I = amperage
Where E = voltage
Where R = resistance

This translates into an amperage of .07 in the 8 watt bulb
and  amperage of .02 amps with the 3 watt bulb.  I am not sure how "robust" those old ballasts are.  I would not worry about the heat of a Flourescent bulb.

Jeff


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: MoonDawg on April 10, 2005, 02:21:55 pm
Jeff, your ballast is bad and blew the old bulb. Whenever buying a bulb for these old machines, it's a good idea to replace the ballast too.  They cost about the same $5-$10 ea.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 10, 2005, 04:37:08 pm
Well I bought a new 8W bulb for mine, but instead of light or even a spark when I put in the bulb, I got nuthin'. It didn't light up and I'm pretty sure that the new bulb is fine. :(

Guess I have to replace the ballasts or wiring or something. The nightlight bulb behind the hidden "Use eact change" sign lights up just fine, but not the big sign above it. :(


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 10, 2005, 04:37:39 pm
How does one replace/install a ballast?


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 10, 2005, 06:30:22 pm
happy now 'Kito, heheheh

Justin


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 10, 2005, 06:31:31 pm
Sorry I couldn't resist!

Justin


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: Creighton on April 10, 2005, 06:46:44 pm
Welcome JSTREIC! Don't know anything about the Cav's. To change a ballast first unplug machine then you will need to find it. May be behind the door liner. It should be a black box that has a couple of wires. They are heavy for the size and if bad may very well smell like hot roofing tar.

Jeff post is great info. You may be able to get a ballast that better matches the available bulbs otta my league in that area. Someone with more specific knowledge should get both of you enlightened. Sorry about that one as well :-)
Creighton


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 10, 2005, 09:52:32 pm
Hi Justin, I'd love to get the joke, but I think I missed something. Please explain. Thanks. :)


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 10, 2005, 09:54:15 pm
I cleaned the top of my Vendo off and had to take a picture to show you.  Justin


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 10, 2005, 09:55:48 pm
Guys,
I put a themometer in my Cav 64C to get the temp right and my readings seem to be in extremes. I check it and it says 20 degrees or 30 degrees and I turn it a super tiny bit and then come back later and it says 50 dgrees, so I turn it a super tiny bit and it says 20 or 25 dgrees again.

Very strange. And I know the thermometer is fine because I took it out of one my other machine in my house that normally has this thermometer at a consistent temp.

I have the thermometer sitting on the top of the bottle rack in the machine. Is there a better more accurate location? Where should I put it?


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 10, 2005, 09:57:42 pm
Quote (JustinBoots @ April 10 2005,9:54)
I cleaned the top of my Vendo off and had to take a picture to show you.  Justin

Oh wonderful!!!  That's right!
Sorry, I needed the refresher course.
Very good. I appreciate it.
You are now officially off the most wanted list.  :D


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 10, 2005, 10:00:31 pm
Whew I am so relieved!! Funny thing is that everyone I  know now wants a mahine and keep finding them.  If my wife would let me I would buy them and just resell them or work em over for my friends.  Seems like I am on a few people's most wanted list!  Justin


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 11, 2005, 06:40:00 am
Strangest thing. By the time I went to bed late last night, I got the temp to hold steady at 37-38 degrees and it is still there this morning, so I am very relieved about that. I had been checking it every few hours because I was scared to death that it would drop way low again and I'd find 64 (+ precools) exploded all over the inside of my machine. But luckily it seems fine now.

But the greatest (and strangest) change is that ever since I put the new bulb in, as you know it didn't light up. Even when I checked the machine at 2am last night. But now 4 hours later I went down to the gameroom to check the interior temperature and I just about fell over when I saw that it's sign was lit up! Did any of you guys sneak into my house last night, play some pool and fix my lighted sign? :D

Well I hope my luck lasts because right now everything is great.






Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: firemun on April 11, 2005, 07:09:15 am
Maybe the soda machine fairy stopped in.  Maybe he/she/it will stop by and fix the vending mechanisim on my Cav 96.

Glad it is all working on your machine now.
jeff


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: BrianB on April 11, 2005, 07:11:37 am
'Kito - Nope didn't sneak into your basement, at least not last night......I'm sure that the Soda Pop Machine elves weren't around either. I'd venture to say that you need to press the "I Believe Button" at this point. Don't question the magic.

Honestly, in the electronics world we see stuff like that all of the time during troubleshooting. It's probably the worst outcome possible other than death or injury of personnel. When the problem "fixes" itself or just magically dissappears, that almost always means that it will fail in the near future. A lot of times the vibration of the unit, be it a multi-million dollar peice of sonar gear or a super cool soda pop machine, can have a tremendous effect on performance. Also, contraction and expansion of electronic/electric components happens frequently.

All that said, I'm way stoked that your lights are on and somebody's home!!  :drinkers:


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: loman4ec on April 11, 2005, 10:45:55 am
I also am not really versed in electrical parts on these but it sounds to me like that could have been the starter. Possibly so old that it just took a long time to fire up.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: MoonDawg on April 11, 2005, 11:51:11 am
Your ballast must work if the bulb is lit. I agree with Josh, your starter isn't starting.  It's a little cannister that twists in like a lite bulb. Check contacts.
       I bought 6 starters FS-2,s at home depot last night for $1.29 each. Cost me more than $1.29 in gas to get there. A ballast was $5.00.
       If making a special trip to the store to replace a specific bulb, I now pay an additional $6.50 for the starter and ballast.
       Don't ya' hate spending $8.00 on a new bulb, only to have it blown out by a bad $5.00 ballast.  :darn:


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 12, 2005, 08:21:32 pm
Well the good news is that the 8 Watt bulb has worked perfectly eversince it first lit up. The bad news is that it is extremely bright in the sign. Who would have thought that just 8 Watts would be so bright. I suppose because it is 12 inches of light rather than just a tiny nightlight bulb or something.

Anyway, it is so bright that even with all of my gameroom lights on, it is distracting when trying to make shots while playing pool! Too bright.

Plus when all the lights are out in my basement, the 8 Watt sign is still so bright that from the top of my basement stairs, I keep thinking that I have left a ceiling light on.

I should take my CS-64C out to the New England coast to safely guide ships into shore!

I guess I will continue my search for an NOS old-school 3 Watt flourescent bulb.

Anyone have any from a parted out 1960's Cav.?


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: loman4ec on April 12, 2005, 10:05:04 pm
Funtronics has a replacement lamp for it but the catalog does not say the wattage. The part # is 16c on page 17. It costs $9.50.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 13, 2005, 06:28:22 am
Thanks Josh. I have the catalog and have bought parts from them in the past, but didn't think about going to them for bulbs.


Title: Markito's cavalier cs-64c
Post by: on April 13, 2005, 03:54:26 pm
well I called him at Fun-Tronics and for 12" flourescent bulbs, he only has 8 Watt ones. Oh well.