Would like info on westinghouse model wb102-b4-d

CAn anyone tell me anything about a westinghouse model WB102-B4-D Coke machine.  HOw old is it?  CAn I get a manual for it etc.

[johnieG]

HI & welcome, Here's some of the info from the soda machines section found on this site.

Vending Capacity:    102-6oz Bottles; 17 bottles for each flavor.

Precool Capacity:    N/A

Dimensions:    73" high, 23 5/8" wide, 22" deep

Weight:    N/A

Production Dates:    Late 1950's - Early 1960's

Price New:    N/A

Description:    The Westinghouse WC-102MD is the version of the "Select-O-Matic" Coolers. the other two versions are the WC-78MD and the WC-126MD. All three of the Select-O-Matic Coolers have six flavors to choose by rotating the dial to the appropriate choice and then insert the proper coin(s). Although this machine is a little tall, it's quite compact!

 
 

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As for a manual, there was a guy on ebay advertising manuals for this type of machines but I've haven't seen it personally though, here's a link over to Ebay if you like.
http://listings.ebay.com/aw....ex.html

Thanks for the info!!
I found the WB102-6 on this site,  which is a machine that looks just like mine but mine only has four flavor selection buttons.  The first two buttons hold twice as many bottles as the last two buttons.  IS this just a variation of the WB-102?  Is it more common to find 6 flavors or 4 flavor selections?
I got the machine from my grandma who had it in a business for years.  It hasn't been run in years though,  and now the compressor doesn't want to kick on.  The dispensing mechanism works fine,  the compressor just doesn't want to come on.  Does this mean the compressor needs to be changed or are there any tricks,  ie things to look at first,  before I take it to be serviced?
Also,  how is the price of the machine changed?  CAn the price be adjusted on the coin accepting mechanism or is each mechanism specific to a particular price?

Sorry for all the questions,  but I know nothing about these Coke machines.
Thanks for anyones help.

[johnieG]

Opps! I misread your topic! I thought it said WD-102 not WB-102 my bad! , if the machine has been sitting unused for a while, the compressor may just be a little cranky in starting up, in which case a device like a 3-in-1 starter booster may be used to give it a "kick in the pants" the other reason would be that it's running low on refrigerant, or its just plain old shot. you should have it looked at by a service "person", but Westinghouse compressors are pretty tough units. the coin mech may be adjustable for multi-pricing depends on which model/manufacture mech you have, which begs the question...what type/model do you have? most of the multi-price mechs sre plug-in interchangable, like a S75-9800A/B for a FP1100-503 (the later is an all metal type earlier mech) so post some pictures & lets see what we're talking about!  :'>

Here is a pic of the machine and the coin mech.  Right now the coin mech accepts dimes and nickels and is set for $.50.  It will not accept quarters or give change.  There is a switch at the bottom that I assume dispenses the nickels in the change tubes but it doesn't work.  ANy ideas?  I startes taking covers off to see if I could find any obvious malfunctions, but no luck so far.  Any ideas?
Also tell me more about kick starting the compressor with the 3 in 1 booster,  you do mean the type used to start car batteries right?  I need to spend some time cleaning up the compressor area.  It hasn't been used in a number of years so some of the electrical connections were dirty.  Once I cleaned all the connections for the lights and flavor selection switches they all worked fine,  so maybe the compressor will be the same,  probably not but maybe.
Heres a pic of the coin mech. attached.

[Bob K]

Great machine.
I had the multi-drink version, but the 102 was a little tall for my basement.  I sold it for $50.00.  Not one of my brighter moves, in hindsight.  It was in exceptional condition.

I'd love to get a smaller version of the multi-drink.  You can't get much cooler than that veg-a-matic selector knob.

Bob

[johnieG]

Nice machine!, first, the 3-in-1 booster I mentioned is specifcally for refigeration compressors & is available thru outfits like the Grainger catalog/stores, it attaches to the wiring terminals of the compressor (there are instructions on how to wire it up with the unit) costs about~$25.00. it replaces the old starter/overload/relay assemble, & provides a "boost" to hard to start compressors. your coin mech is a 75-9800A model By coinco (coin acceptors), if the payout switch doesn't run the motor that kick's out the nickels from the tubes, then it may have a blown fuse on the circut board, which is located by removing the slug rejector (top part)
of the mech, & screws off of the plastic cover on the back, inspect the fuse (it looks like a short bare wire) on the circut board. or the unit isn't getting any AC power from the plug where the harness attatches. pins 1 & 2 of the socket should have 115 Volts AC across them. start there.  here's a way to test the machine without the mech.

[johnieG]

Here's a layout of where the fuse link is on the circut board, also note on the "A" series if equipt with the "reset-ball" it acts like a "Tilt" switch on a pinball machine & will disable the mech from vending (usally only if the mech. was droped or the machine was tipped over/ or rough handling) the "fuses" are actually a piece of foil-wire on the back side of the board, hope this'll help you, there is also a built in over-temp fuse in the transformer of the coin mech. if it blows there is now way to replace it though,  '>

I tried to get this post on before you responded because I got the coin mech to work this afternoon.  The electric motor that kicks out the nickels was stuck.  Probably from not being run in years.  The brushes may have been corroded or dirty,  anyway I got it to run and it now gives change.  There is one thing broken in the coin mech and it seems that it was broken years ago.  I'm attaching an image to show you what I'm talking about because I'm not sure how well I can explain it,  but here goes.   When you remove the top part of the coin mech,  the slug rejector I think it is called,  there are two magnetic type switches/solenoids,  something.  The one on the bottom has the spring broken off and some of the retaining pieces of plastic are also broken.  When I started taking things apart I found some sort of old adhesive holding the loose metal piece to the magnet.  Anyway I took off the old adhesive since it was not holding anymore and the thing makes alot of noise sometimes when the machine is on.  SO for now I put a piece of tape and it keeps the thing from vibrating.  So I guess I'll glue it back down like someone obviously did years agao.  The last inspection/repair sticker in the coin mech was dated 1974.  The nickels I retrieved from the mech were 1980 and older,  if that means anything.

ANyway,  the coin mech just needed some connections cleaned,  just like the lights.  Now the machine will vend and give change,  oh I also changed the price.  I found how on the coinco web page.  Speaking of which did I read in another post somewhere that you have a manual for the S75-9800a?  Any way I can get a copy of that from somewhere?

SOunds like the rest of my week will be spent cleaning the compressor up and checking it out.  MAybe I'll get lucky.  So far I'ver spent $25 on lights and ballasts and starters for the flourescents.
Thanks for all your help so far,  hope I'm not bugging you all  with too many Q's.

Sorry about the pic,  heres a better one,  hopefully.

[johnieG]

thoses are the coin reject electromagnets (C.r.e.m.s. for short) they reject coins into the mech, when the changers is out of nickles, (or in your case, jammed) they are normally in the pulled back position, if the mech.'s out of change, or is sold out (if so equipt) or the machines not plugged in. they return all coins to the change return cup. (sound familar?  '> )
if you can slide a small piece of tape under the flat metal plate
& onto the post under it, it should quite it down (sounds like a little buzzer running) sometimes a little "tweaking on the plate (NOT the fingers) some people just remove the plate & leave the coils in place, this wont' hurt anything, but will make allow the mech to accept coins even if there's no nickels for change, (which is only a problem if you use it to sell to the public),if you have a Fax machine, I can try faxing you a copy of the manual, just send the No. to me in a P.M. (personel message) & make sure you have paper in the machine, it's about 28 pages !

Thanks johnieg for the info on the coin mech.  I feel like I've learned alot about coke machines in the past few days.  Now that the lights work, the coin mech works and the machine vends properly I need to get the thing to cool.  I'm going to get one of the 3 in 1 boosters as soon as I get a chance then I'll  see if it will crank that thing up.  I cleaned up some connections on the compressor today and it sounds like it almost wants to start.  So I'll have to work on that part.
   The other thing I've started is cleaning the thing up.  When I got down into the compressor compartment and started pulling junk out,  like broken glass,  old bottle caps,  dirt and 9, yes 9,  very old mouse mummies, I found that the thing is alot more dirty than I thought '>  I have pictures of the dead mice in the machine if anyone is interested.   To properly clean this thing up I'm going to have to take alot of stuff apart.  The compressor compartment won't be that bad,  especially since it'll probably have to be serviced anyway.  But the vending/cooling compartment has alot of trash , ie mouse bones '> ,  at the bottom of it as well as a little corrosion.  I guess this pan gets wet since there is a drain hole in the bottom.  Anyway I'm a little apprehensive about taking things apart since they work so well right now.  Do the vend mechs in these things come out as one big unit or am I going to have a pile of parts.  I'm pretty confident I can tear it down and rebuild it,  but I'm afraid that something will break when I take it apart.  I guess thats part of the fun.  Any advice on getting started?  SHould I just have someone refinish the inside of the machine?  
I'm looking for a service manual for this machine, but haven't had any luck so far.  Actually I've not seen any reference to this exact model anywhere on the net.  I've seen a WB102-6  but not a WB102-B4-D.  I don't know if theres a  difference or not other than the number of flavor selections. '>  '>  I've deduced that the model refers to a Westinghouse (W)  bottles(B)  holds 102 bottles(102)  four bottle flavors (B4)  and I don't know what the (D) is for.  The serial number is 24519018,  any coded info in there like the date of manufacture?  There is also a Part number Y-37915 listed,  any idea what that is?

DAmn, I ask alot of questions.  Sorry,  but this has turned out to be alot of fun.  It's a pretty satisfying feeling to get something 40 years old to work again.
Thanks again.
Justin

[MoonDawg]

The hard part is already done. The entire dispensing unit is slid into the cabinet and sitting on two brackets, and is held in place with 3 or 4 bolts. They were designed like this for service. Also this unit must come out before you can remove your complete refrigeration system.
      Sounds to me like your going to ENJOY pressure washing the inside of this one!                Glen '>

Wow you were right Glen,  It was easy to take out.  Just `unplug some wires undid a few bolts and it slide out.  Now all thats left in the cooler is the refrigeration unit.  The blower and coils(?) in the actual cooler box and the compressor in the bottom compartment.  Is it safe to take this all out or do I need to worry about the lines?  or since it doesn't work anyway does it matter?  Can I just take the cooling unit somewhere for service or do they need the whole machine usually?
AND,  after I power wash the inside of the machine,  whats the best way to get the liner of the cooler looking new again.  Right now its pretty dirty and dull.  I'm not even sure what type of metal it is.  Galvanized?  The bottomof the cooling cabinet has some rust on it.  I'll post some pics later today or tomorrow so you all can see the condition of the cooler liner and tell me my best options.  Also what about the vending racks,  they are pretty dull and oxidized also.  Can I polish them up or what do I need to do to get them looking nice.

Thanks,
Justin

here's some pics of the inside of the machine.

close up of the interior and the vending rack,  what type of metal is this?  anyone?