vmc 81 rc embossing

[Ginger Prince]

soory guys still not there yet, because

if they are a different size to an 81, [ then they are not original?]

& if not original then why would you replicate in a non original size

GP

[Eric]

Sad thing is... he may (but I doubt) have gotten permission to make these
and part of the deal was to make it a different size to keep different enough
from an original.... though he'd have to pump put 100s to make the $ back
from the die.... man why not do something totally differnet like Barq's or
Orange Crush.... tons of different brands.... hope this is just a few bootleg
and they'll dissapear.... but someone needs to get measurements so we can
be prepared when RC 81s start popp'n up at shows.....

[MoonDawg]

    I'm betting these letters are exactly the same size as 81's

[Ginger Prince]

Well he had a tape measure in the original ebay listing

and at the the top of this thread. I dont have an RC81

so i have no idea, As to how to check.

Eric, you make a valid point in business many firms

allow or license production in a different scale or maybe to

put the slider copy embossing on an 81 as then people know

its not an original,


maybe someone can at least confirm,

whether size is as original or is not.



GP

[Gumbo]

Mine is in storage right now. I am going through a home build out project and put all my machines in a storage until I'm done. I did not want any of them to get damaged. I will be done in a few weeks, so I will pull my RC 81 out and take some measurements.  This kind of  stuff really makes me mad.    What do you all think we should do? Contact RC? Email the guy? Send him a link to this tread, so he can see what we all think of what he is doing? I feel we should all do something together. Voices are louder as a group! This kind of  is not good for our hobby. As I have said before: [i]If any of the vintage machines are repoped it will devalue what we all have and the hunt that we all love will be over. I'm sure you all agree with me, so we all need to act on this one before he is making the tools to repop your favorite machine! Remember the Coke 44! 

[Eric]

And some companies don't care... or really don't know enough about this area.
They may think some guy wants to make embossed royal crown cola signs... and
this is the final product... doubt many, or any, that gives the final word have even seen
a RC 81 or know what it is.
When I make the Coke signs... I didn't want to step on any toes and I'm a collector too.
I just wanted to put something out there that I could be proud of and give other
people/collectors a option to those tiny little signs. But I have them made out of
aluminum, originals weren't, I emboss where the originals weren't and the sizes are
a little off, and they are all dated in 2 places and the copyright (c) is at the end of
Cola. again originals weren't....
Heck I thought about repro'n glascock signs... but there aren't enough coolers
out there I think to do it.... wouldn't be worth it....
I bet if this guy had a die made it had to be around 10 grand unless it was
made overseas somewhere. And I agree with Moondawg... I bet it's the same size.
I thnk I said this before... there was a 7up embossing back about a year ago... I've seen 2 of them on eBay.... though I don't know if it was the right gauge metal but it was a weld in sign for a machine the seller said so.
 

[Creighton]

Problem is these repops are being made in South America or former eastern block countries where dies are cheap and US law can't touch them.

These folks do not have the same integrity that Eric does. Clearly marked and dated new signs are great for folks like me that can't afford the orginals any longer.

This is a huge problem with petro porcelain signs. All those collectors have been able to do is list known fakes and flag suspect eBay sellers. Sadly it was just a matter of time before it  branched out to other hobbies.
Creighton

[Eric]

I'm on a petro site quite a bit and there are porclein repro's that
are unbelievable.... made to look chipped and everything.....
it is really causing a stir on that site... made overseas they thing and
being passed of as originals...

[MoonDawg]

       With Royal Crown 81's selling from $10K to $20K this guy is
going to start some real trouble.

          http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250168594801&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Fsofocus%3Dbs%26sbrftog%3D1%26catref%3DC6%26fcl%3D3%26frpp%3D100%26from%3DR10%26ftid%3D1%26fcd%3D2%26fccl%3D0%26mppfqy%3D250168594801%26satitle%3D250168594801%26sacat%3D-1%2526catref%253DC6%26sargn%3D-1%2526saslc%253D2%26sadis%3D200%26fpos%3D93001%26sabfmts%3D1%26saobfmts%3Dinsif%26ftrt%3D1%26ftrv%3D1%26saprclo%3D%26saprchi%3D%26fsop%3D2%2526fsoo%253D2%26fvi%3D1

          Someone could pretend to be a buyer and get his name and address? I'm guessing he is in Nevada.
          Then we let him know we are on to him and "discourage" him from using E-bay as an easy outlet. Craigs list too!
          Also pass this auction on to as many people we know who may fall victim to a "cheap RC 81" thereby discouraging any demand for a welded-on logo.
           
           This guy may not go to jail, but we're not going to make it easy for him to destroy
our hobby or indirectly bilk an investor.   

[Jim]

As another precaution, we can post the Serial Number range for the RC 81s provided it can be had as it has been some time since I've heard anyone referencing the serial numbers and quantities produced...