Large coin mech (non change giver)

[TheGarbageHunter]

Well I spent a good amount of time cleaning the large coin mech that came with the vendo 56. Placed the slug rejector in hot soapy water, but I think their was to much soap since when dry it feels tacky. The dime stil travels thru. Should I place it back in hot water to remove left over soap or is there a spray I can use?? The coin mech it self does not crank all the way down. The dime does travel all the way down into its slot but when I crank down the handl the mech stops shortly before the finger located in the same slot reaches the dime. I can tell if this finger was to reach the dime, it would force the finger to rise thus unlocking the bottom crank, allowing it to travel its complete path. I tested this by lifting the finger manually. How the  '> can I fix this?? Completly lost. Can any tell if something is, missing??  '>

Pics will be posted soon via friend.

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[vendobaldtops]

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[Kevin C]

Hello

First put down the skunky beer & move back! The danger will pass.

Just wait there are some members who know how to work these things.

Have a good day.

Kevin

[collecture]

Did you remove the barrier plate or was it missing? Steve at Soda Jerk Works sells them if it is missing.
Check where the back side of the nickel finger goes down in the back. There is another lever (can't think of it's name of hand) of which the nickel finger must be on the left of (as you face the mech). You can access the lever from a hole in the back. Kind of hard to explain and I don't have time this morning - gotta run. If you haven't figured it out by later today, I'll try to post a pic and describe better.

[TheGarbageHunter]

Yes I did remove the barrier plate. I did place the nickle finger behind another lever. But the mech still will not crank all the way down. Its like dime finger is not long enough to come in contact w/the dime inorder to lift the lever so that the bottom crank will become unlocked and freely move.  '>

[collecture]

Will it work on two nickels? What happens with coins in all the coin slots?

[collecture]

OK -I just went and looked at my non-change giver mech.
On mine, the spring just to the right of the blue arrow in the picture is attached to the nickel finger plate that the arrow is pointing directly at. The left side of your spring looks right - it is the right side of your spring that should be attached to the nickel finger plate. What is the right side of your spring attached to now?

[collecture]

Here is a picture of mine!

[TheGarbageHunter]

Collecture, Thanks a million because of your help, vendo 56 coin Mech LIVES AGAIN!!! The coin mech works on nickles and nikles only. Once I place 2 nickles in the nicle slot and placed the coin mech on a leve surface, BAM Worked


Thanks '>

[sodaworks]

Victor,
 Just checking in, looks like your problems solved! '>

[collecture]

I think if you place the spring where I described and pictured earlier, then the mech would work on dimes and nickels because it should work on both denominations.

[Kevin C]

Hello

Ok is time to open a new fresh beer. Take several long gulps, then take a deep breath & repeat until the feeling of doom has passed.

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Kevin

[TheGarbageHunter]

I agree, a round of web based cold ones on me       .

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[sodaworks]

Is it accepting dimes as well? '>

[TheGarbageHunter]

NO, I just can not get it to accept dimes. Any ideas???
It works great w/nickles.  '>

[collecture]

Did you try moving the spring?

[TheGarbageHunter]

I did move the spring, from the lower body of the coin mech to the bracket you spoke of. But it still will not vend on dimes. The lower crank stops before the arm comes in contact with the dime. I guess I just need bigger dimes.    '>

[collecture]

Fresco,
Will it crank if you lift up on the dime finger slightly?

[TheGarbageHunter]

Yes, if I slightly move up the dime finger it will vend.Or in other words crank down all the way.

[TheGarbageHunter]

Any more ideas guys, all the help has been great. I am almost there, just need to resolve the dime issue.   '>

[MoonDawg]

Quote (1refrescofan @ Mar. 05 2006,9:19)

if I slightly move up the dime finger it will vend.

Then use a coil spring to hold it in this position

[TheGarbageHunter]

If I use a coil spring to hold it in this postition, the coin mech will vend for free. I'm trying to get it to work on both dimes and nickles.

[collecture]

I'll try to measure my dime finger - maybe somewhere along the line somebody ground down the dime finger so it would not work with dimes (unlikely, but I have seen some  '> things done to these machines). The other thing you could do is make it a nickel machine. Take a nickel and mount a post or roll pin in the center of it - place it in the left hand side of the nickel slot (closest to the finger) with the post sticking out in the little cutout in front of the nickel slot. The post keeps the nickel from falling and there is enough play in the cutout that unless another nickel is behind it, it will not vend. When a second nickel is in, it will fall to the coin box and vend. Nickel Cokes taste better anyway! All my machines are nickel machines.

[TheGarbageHunter]

Thanks for not giving up on my problem, making it a nickle machine sounds like a good idea. I think you are correct, someone probably did file down the dime arm, since other than this it works just fine. I will measure it and take a close look at it when you send me the measurments, so I can compare the two. I did contact sodajerkworks, steve does an awsome job restoring these things, had one done and it came back Cheeerryyy!! This mech is not cheap to restore, it will cost approx 2x the amount I paid to restore the one I have in my vendo 81. With the new measurments may be I can go to a machine shop and have this bracket made.
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[collecture]

Sorry fresco, time got away from me today. I'll get a measurement to you as soon as I can - hopefully tonight. If you are going to be paying Steve to restore it, why would you have a machine shop fab a part?

[collecture]

Fresco,
Sorry, it will have to be tomorrow. I moved the machine with the mech over near our bedroom on the porch. The wife zonked out early tonight and I don't want to wake her clanging around outside the door. Just a thought though - can you still read the stamps on the side of the mech. Mine is a 5545-2A and also has a stamp that says "This unit set for 10cent operation" and still another number 31, which I have no idea what that stood for except possibly inspected by 31. Was wondering if yours might say "This unit set for 5 cent operation and the 5 cent coin slide filler is just missing. I don't even know if they set large door mechs to 5 cents and, if they did, why they would bother putting the dime finger in. I imagine they did produce a 5 cent version, but it would be odd in a 1957 V56 as the price of a Coke had gone up by 1957. Anyway, it was just a thought! I'll check the dime finger length tomorrow for you.

[collecture]

Fresco,
I have attached a picture of mine with the fingers up. Kind of hard to get an exact measurement inside the mech, but it looks to be 2 15/16" inches long. The tip is also rounded as you can see. Does your mech have any stampings still legible?

[MoonDawg]

There is a spring here....which is not on Fresco's mech

[TheGarbageHunter]

Collecture,

I did not have time to longon last night, will take a close look at the dime finger today, measure it and compare it to yours. Just from what I can remember, My coin Mech is stamped on the right side with: set to vend at .10 cents, so it has to take dimes. On thing that looks very obvious is that your dime arm looks longer than mine. We will soon findout.


MoonDawg, my mech also has that same spring, it was attached to the body of the mech, I moved to the same position as the one found on Collecture's mech. Did not help.

Thanks guys and will post later this afternoon.

[TheGarbageHunter]

Well Collecture we have found the problem. I knew looking at yours that my dime finger looked a bit small. Measuring it confirmed my greatest fear. The dime finger has been cut and filed. It measured from the point where the finger starts straight: 2 inches. The total length of the finger from the round end to the point: 2 1/2 inches. Well short of the 2 and 15/16 inches. Darn, someone possibly wanted to make this a free vend machine and filed down the dime finger and placed nickle slugs into it (via Steve). Well I have several options. I like having thing correct or they eat at me.

Thanks for all your help in diagnosing this problem.

   '>

[collecture]

Well - at least we figured it out! Like I said - people do some  '>  up things to these machines. Doesn't look like an hard piece to fabricate. You might be able to cut it straight and weld an extension on it???

I still like nickel Cokes! '>

[Creighton]

Here is what the fingers look like on my 56 change giver. Tough to measure without teardown but looks to be +/- 4 3/4". Let me know if you want me to try and fab a clone. Anybody know if these must be the exact orginal thickness of metal stock?
Thanks,
Creighton

[Creighton]

Here is a side shot of the markings on mine. Think when it says "Set for 10 cent operation" they mean 2/.05 or 1/.10. Or with a change tube .25 returning 3 /.05. Yours is the first I've seen with a "Use Correct Change" flag without the change tube.

Nasty bit of linkage from the change tube to the "Use Correct Change" flag. I'll get sorted one of these days :-) Let me know if I can help
Creighton

[collecture]

Creighton,
What finger are you measuring? I don't have my change-giver mech in front of me, but I thought the dime fingers were the same on both. Now you have got me curious - I'll have to check my change-giver!
As far as your question, I would think they should be as close to the original thickness as possible. I would think they must withstand enough force of the crank before the pawl gives way in the handle. Not that any one of us is going to abuse our machines (besides maybe Markito j/k   ), but you never know.

[Creighton]

Hey Tom,
I was HA'ssd measuring the finger on the left in the picture. Agree on thickness needs to be close as possible. I've got a scrap piece of brass that is 1mm thicker, was hoping to use that. Can't hurt to try :-)
Creighton

[vendobaldtops]

Hey Victor,  have you tried your mech with a quarter?  In one coin mech I have, someone modified it to accept quarters and it vends.  But, you can put 2 nickles in too and it works...just doesn't accept dimes.

[collecture]

It won't work with a quarter. The mech doesn't have a quarter finger like the change-givers.

[TheGarbageHunter]

I does not work with a quarter.

Thanks for the offer to help Craighten, I will seek all the help I can get when I restore the machine. (sometime in the next 1years) '>. I plan on setting up a work shop when I buy a new house at the end of the year. My current house does not have a garage simply a tuff shed and since I do not plan on staying hear I do not want to invest in building one now.

I do plan on restoring a vendo 63A in the next few months, since I am taking a bodyshop class I plan on practising my skills at school on this machine and not fenders.

[collecture]

Fresco,
Looking at your mech again - the dime finger does look like it is about the quarter finger length. Wonder if you slipped the finger over to the quarter slot if it would work on a quarter or two nickels as Vendobaldtops asked? Not that it wouldn't bother you still being "incorrect", but would offer two separate denominations that it would vend by.

[TheGarbageHunter]

well i did move the dime figer in the quarter slot yesterday (night). It is slightly bent and i did not want it damaging the dime slot. will add a quarter again and see what happens.

[TheGarbageHunter]

Nope, it will not accept quarters. I will just stick to nickles for now.