Ideal A55 Pepsi soda Machine

[Stockman43]

I need help with my Ideal A55 pepsi soda box. What is the correct refrigerant compressor and hi and low pressure and how much oil.
My machine has a copeland 1/4 hp compressor , i think this is incorrect, machine will only cool down to about 50 degrees inside of the box.
Any help would be appreciated.

thanks for all the comments.
the Ideal 55 box was restored to like new condition and the 0riginal compressor was damaged and the restorer company took the box to an so called professional ref. shop and they installed a new Copeland 1/4 hp compressor unit. It looks really great and the line going to the box is cold and the hi side line is hot, the compressor is warm and runs normal.  
since I left it on overnite it will cool down to about 40 degrees. what can I do to get it colder inside the box. what pressures should I look for at the low and hi side and how much Freon is correct.
they used Freon 134a in this Copeland unit.    

[johnieG]

Sooooo basically (jokingly) I can assume from this "poll" that.... 

A: It's not working. (see "C" below)
B: You have no clue as to why it's not working after the line was broken,
    or the charging port valve was opened ( see "D" below)
C: And you have a puddle of oil on the floor (check "E" below)
D: There is low pressure because the freon has leaked out ( see "C" above)
E: if not "D" then go to "A"

[globalcompressors]

ummm.... Johnie, is there a time limit on this? oh man,
the pressure! ummm.... I pick.... ummm.... I pick
F)... needs a shot of freon!

did I win?  

[davethebirdman]

Now now Gentlemen... The poor chap is looking to you two in particular to help him out with his problem.

[kbareit]

You want an 1/8 hp low temp compressor. You don't have to worry about the oil as it if already filled.My question is if a 1/4 hp exists now was just the compressor changed of the whole condensing unit? If you can provide a pic of the compressor I help you with figuring out what you need. I provided a link for the model compressor you will need. Do not pay attention to the pic of compressor the site uses the same pic for all compressors.

[MoonDawg]

       If a slider gets a bigger compressor, the capillary tube must also be changed as it will require a different diameter and length.

[johnieG]

Now now Gentlemen... The poor chap is looking to you two in particular to help him out with his problem.

   Sorry Dave (and regards to the newbie) all I can envision is a pile of parts in an oil puddle in the middle of the floor, and the poor guy scratching his head wondering what, were and when it all went south.

I disagree with the pick of a low temperature model, this is a medium temp application, I'd also agree to say that out of the box, a 1/4HP unit is too large without the adjustment to the capillary size as mentioned.  ( you'll flood the evaporator coils & get liquid refrigerant back to the suction valve and damage the compressor)

also keep in mind that Sliders, be they Ideal or Glasco, have a problem keeping there evaporator coils in contact with their tank walls, as they fall away from inside of the tank wall, [but are held in close proximity to the tank by the insulation], they the can't exchange heat efficiently, so the box temp goes up, the compressor long cycles (runs forever it seems) & the suction line frosts back to the compressor.

But hey! Nothing that a hammer, a shot of freon and a spray can of semi-gloss black paint can't fix.   

[johnieG]

ummm.... Johnie, is there a time limit on this? oh man,
the pressure! ummm.... I pick.... ummm.... I pick
F)... needs a shot of freon!

did I win?  

Eric...Yep you win!  your golden "I hit it with a hammer" trophy and a check for a 6-pack of chicken Mc'Nuggets is in the mail!

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Eric...Yep you win!  your golden "I hit it with a hammer" trophy and a check for a 6-pack of chicken Mc'Nuggets is in the mail!

[globalcompressors]

Eric...Yep you win!  your golden "I hit it with a hammer" trophy and a check for a 6-pack of chicken Mc'Nuggets is in the mail!

I knew it! I just might get the "hang" of the compressor stuff yet! Chicken McNuggets... mmmm.... 

[Pixel]

I knew it! I just might get the "hang" of the compressor stuff yet! Chicken McNuggets... mmmm....  

I don't think those "Chicken McNuggets" are actually made of chicken. I'm not even overly confident they're really "McNuggets".  

[Stockman43]

the idea 55 pepsi  slider was restored by a restorer person that did not do the ref. part. he took the box to a ref. person that installed a complete 1/4 hp Copeland unit with a new condenser and fan. the evaportator coil is still attached between  to the wall of the box. the new copeland 1/4 hp is charged with Freon 134a.
since it has been running for 24 hrs, the box is at 40 degrees

what pressure should I see on the low and hi side and how much Freon is correct.

the box and all ref parts look as though the unit was brand new.
I want it to cool a little colder
 do you know if this is possible?

I wanted to try and get the box to cool correctly myself without having to take it back to the restorer 100s of miles away.  

thanks

[johnieG]

   You really can't just slap R134a into an R12 system without refitting the capillary tubing's length & internal diameter (size) .  Plus he should have at least flushed the system to remove any old mineral oil & installed a new compatible filter/dryer too. ( as the original system never had a filter install, only a small filter-sieve/screen on the outlet of the condenser coils return line, which is often plugged & causes mischief and misery).

Good luck    

[johnieG]

I don't think those "Chicken McNuggets" are actually made of chicken. I'm not even overly confident they're really "McNuggets".  

As explained to me by the "Colonel"  the nuggets are the last part of a rooster to go over the fence...

[Pixel]

As explained to me by the "Coronal"  the nuggets are the last part of a rooster to go over the fence...

The "Coronal"? Perhaps you meant "The Colonel"?

  You really can't just slap R134a into an R12 system without refitting the capillary tubing's length & internal diameter (size) .  Plus he should have at least flushed the system to remove any old mineral oil & installed a new compatible filter/dryer too. ( as the original system never had a filter install, only a small filter-sieve/screen on the outlet of the condenser coils return line, which is often plugged & causes mischief and misery).

Good luck    

Would the 55's original evaporator coil handle R134a okay, as long as the rest of the system is properly set up for it?

[globalcompressors]

As explained to me by the "Coronal"  the nuggets are the last part of a rooster to go over the fence...

Hmmm.... the last part to go "over" or get "hung" on the fence? either way.... ouch!  :censored


.... and yes, the evaporator on a 55 will handle 134a just fine.