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« on: February 07, 2007, 08:26:26 pm » |
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Hey everyone,
Hope someone can help me...At work we have an 1985 Fuji Electrics Coke branded machine, and now the coin mech has stopped working..it is a mars electric and thats all it says, it is an 8 pin( with only 7 connected). I am getting some photos ASAP. Now as I am in australia and the OEM repairs won't touch these I need to know if it is easyier just to buy a new coin mech and if so what sort and from where, don't mind getting it imported, will get the photos uploaded tommorrow.
Thanks Vossy
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2007, 11:42:50 pm » |
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QUOTE ...it is an 8 pin( with only 7 connected).
Never seen one with a plug like that - sure you don't mean 9 pin (with 8 connected).
If the mech is bad and if it is a common mech,
then I would say it is cheaper to simply replace it.
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2007, 03:54:51 pm » |
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No it definatley is 8 flat pins and one round line up hole pulled the cover of the pin cable and only seven have wires connected to them... hopefully upload some photos today.....
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2007, 05:23:37 pm » |
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QUOTE No it definatley is 8 flat pins and one round line up hole pulled the cover of the pin cable and only seven have wires connected to them
That is what I was referring to as a 9 pin (aka Jones plug).
Not sure how the wiring might differ, but you can get a Coinco S75-9800 for about $20-$30 off eBay and it works in most all vending machine models that use an electric coin changer. It is a 115-117 volt changer.
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SelectiVend 48 DP
1930s DP Counter Cooler(Restored)
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Vendo Coin Changers (ea. style-nice orig w/ stand)
Vendo Junior (rest.), 23 Deluxe, 39D, 56RT, 80SS, 81A (nice orig), 6 C.V.
VMC 27, 27A, 81D DP, 110 DP
Westinghouse WC-44SK, WD-5, WB60
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2007, 05:03:09 pm » |
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Excellent thanks for your advice collecture, but a few quick qestions, on the jones plug which is your main power supply pin as I have to check to make ours is 115V (stand is OZ is 240V) and will it or can it be programed to accept OZ coins.....
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2007, 08:50:35 pm » |
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Electrical is not my strongest suit.
I don't own many electric mech machines.
johnnieg is the one to ask on this I believe.
Somebody else may be able to give you some insight also.
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2007, 09:36:31 pm » |
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Your machine is most likely uses a 24 volt coin mech. Most new machines and machines not made in the US use them. They are plentafull on ebay and are usually cheeper then the 117 volt mechs.
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2007, 03:57:20 pm » |
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Here is the pics
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2007, 04:02:14 pm » |
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2007, 04:05:54 pm » |
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2007, 09:34:38 pm » |
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Vossy, I presume you are using a transformer then to convert 240v down to 120v ? You import this machine yourself ?
Btw, what part of OZ you from ? I'm originally from Tassie myself.. (currently in Canada)
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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2007, 09:42:13 pm » |
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Re programming the mech for ozzie coins, I know the newer CoinCo mechs can be re-programmed for new coins and metal tokens, so I would imagine the Mars ones can be too. You're probably looking at 10x what the mech is worth to change it over though.. (shipping to/from Mars Electronics and whatever fee they charge for re-programming)
Something I have often wondered is how the mechs work with the Australian 50c coin, as it's hexagonal (ie. shaped like a stop sign) not round.
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2007, 10:21:48 pm » |
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2007, 10:26:21 pm » |
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Hey Guys,
Skeleton Man unsure where this machine is from but I think my work moved it over from Melbourne to perth where we are now. I know the control card all the Fuji electric HH53P relays are all 100 VAC which I think is the real problem after looking at them all. So if you where I can get these from it would be a great help have rang a few people around Oz and the can't be bother I know there is a few places in USA that sell them but they don't want to reply to my emails at the moment.
I think if we can fixes these parts first, then test again and if so just get a new coin mech, but as I said earlier having a real problem getting these relay,  '>
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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2007, 11:07:27 pm » |
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Do you have a bigger picture of the relays and maybe some diagrams, etc ? I replaced a relay in my machine for like $8 from ebay.. (speciality electrical stores wanted $25 each for them)
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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2007, 11:21:07 pm » |
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Looking at the data sheet, the HH53 is a 3 Pole, Double-Throw relay, so there's a good chance you could find a replacement from any manufacturer (provided it physically fits).
I'll see what I can find anyway.. gotta be an ozzie store somewhere that has them.. maybe JayCar sells them.. (some electronics stores will special order from JayCar)
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2007, 12:52:22 am » |
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Can't put a bigger picture on the web site I can email you one if you want...I think I found a supplier in Adelaide but their PC down and will call back tommorrow with an answer. And the HH53 is a 3 Pole, Double-Throw relay, but it has flat spade pins not round ones. Thanks again for your help hopefully one of us will have luck.
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2007, 02:24:02 am » |
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Is this machine for home use or are you going to put it out to make money? TThe reason I ask is if it is for home use why don't you just rig it for free vend and save some money.
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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2007, 06:45:32 am » |
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Not it is used for our social fund so we need to be able to make money of it.
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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2007, 02:03:04 pm » |
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Flat spades are pretty common, the two most common layouts I have seen are below.. let me know if either of those are correct..
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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2007, 04:43:41 pm » |
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Yes mate it is the one on the left except there is a ting bit bigger gap between the top nine and the bottom two but layout is correct. Did get a quote for a online company in the US for $21.90 US easch plus postage, a little high I think but when I get call for Oz distrubutor maybe that is right.
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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2007, 07:40:12 pm » |
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USD$22 each + postage ? That's highway robbery in my opinion (though sadly I don't doubt that's their price). These are miniature relays right ? The spec sheet says they're like 3cm long by 2cm wide..
Still trying to find an alternative or somewhere cheaper..
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2007, 03:18:43 am » |
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$15.90 AUD ? That's a little more reasonable.. which supplier did you find them through ?
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2007, 04:42:28 pm » |
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It was some elctircal supplier list on Fuji Electrics webpage located in adelade, hopefully they will be here tommorrow then I can test and see if it is the coin mech that needs replacing if so work out what one to put in and where to locate it. '>
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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2007, 05:07:29 pm » |
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Good luck with it mate.. coin mechs are a dime a dozen, assuming it's 110V and uses a Jones plug.. (8 flat pins and a round guide pin in the middle)
Might be a costly exercise to reprogram one for ozzie dollars though.. (I've never seen an older ozzie $$ mech.. only new serial/digital ones)
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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2007, 06:54:30 pm » |
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Just a FYI.. I emailed Coinco about a 110V single price mech for Australian currency and they pointed me towards the ALD-F707 mech.
Here's a link to their site: Coinco ALD-F707
Chris
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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2007, 07:53:31 pm » |
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Hey Chris,
Thanks heaps the parts arrived today will reassemble system soon and put back to together and fingers crossed it all works or I will contact coinco and get a new one.
Cheers and Beers
Vossy  '>
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« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2007, 05:58:05 pm » |
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Well, It didn't fix it so I have taken the coin mech and controller to a local mars repairer and they may not be able to fix but at least they can recommend a new cashflow mech that will work and it will keep my bosses happy. As it is friday here definately beers this arvo......  '>
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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2007, 05:55:18 pm » |
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Have you tried rigging up a free play switch to test without the coin mech ? See this thread: Free Play Switch
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« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2007, 08:41:32 pm » |
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(Vossy @ Feb. 25 2007,7:11)
QUOTE As for beer doesn't really matter we are not fussy but as I brew my own quit enjoy a canadian blonde at the moment.... '> '>  '>
I know a few others from the other side of the world that brew their own as well... must be a thing down under? |
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« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2007, 11:50:57 pm » |
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If you plan to keep a bucket of USA coins above your machine, then sure the S75-9800 will work.
The S75-9800 is probably the most common mech in older machines, but doesn't work with australian currency and cannot be reprogrammed.
I don't know what the extra circuitry is for, but any 110V mech with a jones connector should work just fine (so your spare mech from home should work).
CoinCo made the old Global 2 (ALD-F707) mech like I mentioned before, but you'd have to find it second hand as they are no longer produced.
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